Help!! in 1841

[dreen22]

Having done extensive research on all of my families, upon checking I find I am missing my x3Grandfather on the 1841 Census.
I think I MAY have had this at one time. Can I borrow someone's eyes to search also please. The main people I would expect to find are:

Details:

Thomas Richards b.1771 Penzance
Margaret Richards b.1804 London
William Richards b.1811 London

There maybe Lodgers with them because from 1851 to 1861 Thomas owned a Lodging House in Guildford Street, Clerkenwell, he died in 1862. His 2nd
wife Margaret together with William, her stepson, remained there for the remainder of their lives.

Although Thomas was born in Cornwall he came to London between 1806 - 1811. He married Margaret Reeve in London in 1836.


It might be worth mentioning that I cannot find William's birth in 1811. I definitely had this once. He was born in Shoreditch, son of Thomas Richards (above)
and Elizabeth Ladner. I originally found this many years ago on the IGI but something else I cannot find now.

Any "helpful eyes" much appreciated.

dreeny

[Night Owl]

HO107, piece 659, book 9, folio 16, page 25

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=MDXHO107_659_660-0349&fn=Margaret&ln=Richard&st=r&ssrc=&pid=6996192&iq=1

Guildford Street
Thomas Richards 60 not born in county carpenter
Margaret Richards 35

William isn't there

[chrisj1961]

Sorry, can't find William on the 1841 census, or even baptised on the London Baptisms but I have found a Thomas Richards marriage to a Margaret Rave (where the register signing occurs it is Reeve) in 1830 at Bloomsbury in Camden. I have also found an Elizabeth Richards burial at Shoreditch (St. Leonards) in March 1836.

I would also be very careful looking through the baptisms for Shoreditch, I have found a separate couple of Thomas and Elizabeth Richards, with another 2 children, Zaccheus and Elizabeth, (b 1786 and 1789 respectively, baptised in 1812). Are you sure William was born in London in 1811 and not in Cornwall ?, have Thomas and Elizabeth more children ?

[dreen22]

Help with 1841

Many thanks for replies and the discovery.

Yes, William was born in Shoreditch where I guess they lived until the death of his mother Elizabeth there in 1836. Strange
William is not listed. He is with them on the following two census then lived with Margaret until her death. I guess William
has to be somewhere, 1841 difficult with a fairly common name and not showing place of birth.

Thank-you, I have that marriage where Margaret's surname is incorrectly written as "Rave" .

Again, many thanks for your help.

dreeny

[Darksecretz]

Dreen,

it might be that the baptism that you had before was a submitted entry on the LDS, the new site does not list these now, and only has extracted records on it.

[dreen22]

Thank-you Julie, I was not aware of that. However, I would have expected to find it on Ancestry,s Baptisms, but cannot find
anything. I shall have to think hard on this one. The 1841 Census eluded me simply, I suddenly realised, because it was entered
as Richard not Richards.

A further search for William on the 1841 census for William, who was not living with his family, brought up a possible entry in Norton Folgate
so I shall keep that in in mind for now. I think William,s absence may have been due to his new young stepmother (well young compared to his father)
who was his age. That said 5 years had elapsed since that marriage.

dreen

[Darksecretz]

hmm I did have a look for William but like you didnt find much, I did wonder if he went back to Cornwall (as he didnt appear to be in london).

[Darksecretz]

A further search for William on the 1841 census for William, who was not living with his family, brought up a possible entry in Norton Folgate

this William is a tea dealer and appears to have a wife and child. As your William is a carpenter, would this be a likely jump of occupation?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=will**&gsln=richar*&msbdy=1810&msbpn__ftp=London%2c+England&msbpn=5274&msbpn_PInfo=7-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5274%7c0%7c0%7c&cpxt=1&uidh=lg3&msbdp=2&cp=11&pcat=CEN_1840&h=7755639&recoff=9+10+21+22&db=uki1841&indiv=1