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  • Looking for Alice White nee Emes b 1862 Lambeth

    Can anyone throw any light on this mystery please?

    I have Alice White with husband Walter John (b1855 St Luke, Mid'x) in 1911 with two daughters Rose Maud age 17 born Bethnal Green and Alice Jane age 7 born Bethnal Green. They say married 23 years with 2 children born and 2 still alive.

    I have Walter John White in 1901 here http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=17455562 saying he is single and the address is a common lodging house.

    Can't find Alice White and daughter Rose anywhere together in 1901. Several possibilities for Rose on her own

    The birth cert for Alice Jane shows mother's maiden name Emes but as it is handwritten it could be open to interpretation so I posted it it on here a while ago and we couldn't come up with much different.

    I can't find a marriage for Walter and Alice at all. I also can't see Walter anywhere in 1891.

    So in summary

    1891 where are Walter and Alice as they supposedly married in 1888?
    1901 where is Alice and daughter Rose b 1894?
    Is there a marriage for Walter and Alice?

    Any help or suggestions gratefully received.

    Margaret

  • #2
    wonder if this is Rose Maud in 1901
    Maud White born abt 1895 Bethnal Green a visitor at 21 Argyle Road Mile End

    RG13 332 21 33

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
      wonder if this is Rose Maud in 1901
      Maud White born abt 1895 Bethnal Green a visitor at 21 Argyle Road Mile End

      RG13 332 21 33
      Thanks Val but it looks to me that Maud is with her mother Annie White who is shown as a widow in the same household and also a visitor.

      Margaret

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      • #4
        what about this for Alice Emms
        1881
        Alice Emms born abt 1860 Lambeth a Nursemaid living in 151 Camberwell Road Camberwell
        RG11 694 76 3

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        • #5
          thats a huge gap between those girls isn't it ? 10 years ?

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          • #6
            suppose you've seen Rose Mauds marriage on Ancestry in 1914 Bethnal Green ?? one of the witnesses is Walter John White

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
              suppose you've seen Rose Mauds marriage on Ancestry in 1914 Bethnal Green ?? one of the witnesses is Walter John White
              Yes, thanks got that. She was married twice; first to William H Fosbuary who was killed in WW1 and then to Charles Sulsh. She had a son to Fosbuary but sadly he died aged 14 and I found out from descendants that Sulsh was a 'bad 'un' so overall Rose had a sad life.

              I'll have a look at the other things you found - thanks a lot.

              This is for my step daughter's tree and I've got stuck at her great grandparents :(

              Margaret
              Last edited by margaretmarch; 09-10-11, 09:57.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
                thats a huge gap between those girls isn't it ? 10 years ?
                Yes, which make me think that either or both were 'married' before or that Rose was illegitimate for Alice and Walter took her on - especially since I can't find a birth for Rose Maud White.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
                  what about this for Alice Emms
                  1881
                  Alice Emms born abt 1860 Lambeth a Nursemaid living in 151 Camberwell Road Camberwell
                  RG11 694 76 3
                  Had looked at that before and whilst it may very well be her it doesn't help me move back as she's not with family.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by margaretmarch View Post

                    I have Alice White with husband Walter John (b1855 St Luke, Mid'x) in 1911 with two daughters Rose Maud age 17 born Bethnal Green and Alice Jane age 7 born Bethnal Green. They say married 23 years with 2 children born and 2 still alive.
                    Can't get into FMP at the moment (site down) - what is place of birth for Alice on the 1911 census?
                    Elaine







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                    • #11
                      It's Lambeth.
                      Margaret

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                      • #12
                        Sorry - just seen it in the title! Doh !!!!
                        Elaine







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                        • #13
                          Sorry Margaret, not having much luck with this!
                          Elaine







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                          • #14
                            Thanks for looking anyway. I think I'm going to have to goof on a tangent and see what I can find from anyone else who is related.

                            I have found the death registration for Alice White in 1922 - would the certificate show her maiden name do you think?

                            Margaret

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                            • #15
                              I don't think it does Margaret - would normally say "wife of ....." or "widow of .... "
                              Elaine







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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                                I don't think it does Margaret - would normally say "wife of ....." or "widow of .... "
                                Guessed as much so no hope with that then!

                                It's really frustrating to not find anything conclusive they all seem to be shadows!

                                Margaret

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                                • #17
                                  RG10; Piece: 161; Folio: 56; Page: 20

                                  Living St Marylebone

                                  Robt Emons
                                  28

                                  Maria Emons 28
                                  Alice Emons 4
                                  Robt Emons 6 Months
                                  Richd Emons 65

                                  Someone has corrected Emons to Emms
                                  Kat

                                  My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
                                    Thanks for this. The age is a bit out as my Alice would be 8/9 in 1871, not sure this one is born Lambeth either but I'll contact the person who's done the correction and see what she can tell me about Alice Emms.

                                    Margaret

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                                    • #19
                                      Ah! no need to make contact as there is a tree and this Alice married Harry Shepherd - back to the drawing board!
                                      Margaret

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                                      • #20
                                        If that is them here they are on 1881 census:
                                        RG11; Piece: 157; Folio: 53; Page: 29

                                        Robert Enniss 39
                                        Maria Enniss 38
                                        Alice C. Enniss 14
                                        Edward G. Enniss 10
                                        Richard H. Enniss 8
                                        Martha L. Enniss 1

                                        Oh what a shame - just seen your above post :(

                                        However are you sure they have the right marriage?
                                        Could be Alice lied about her age in later censuses?
                                        Just a thought.
                                        Last edited by Katarzyna; 09-10-11, 15:41.
                                        Kat

                                        My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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