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    With my ggrandparents x 2. I am trying to get a grip on these 2 as I can't get further on with them. this is what I have so far.........JAMES FLINN born abt. 1810 Occ: stated as Carter on daughter's birth cert. On 1841, he is a weaver. According to his marriage record....he was
    from Oldham. According to my cousin his ancestors were of Welsh rather than Irish descent...don't know how true this is. He married by banns at St
    Mary the Virgin Prestwich 11/6/1829 to MARY ANN GIBBONS born abt. 1813. Recorded as both from Oldham. On 1851 Mary is a shop owner at 2 Lloyd st. Salford.
    And a widow. Any help as to my next move would be appreciated.
    Jen
    Avatar: One of my paintings.

    Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.


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    Have you found him in the 1841 census - if so where?
    Does it say born in county?
    I cannot see Mary in 1851 - do you have the census ref?
    Elaine







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    • #3
      Snap Elaine
      I was just going to ask the same questions.

      Moggie

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
        Have you found him in the 1841 census - if so where?
        Does it say born in county?
        I cannot see Mary in 1851 - do you have the census ref?
        James is not on any census I can find Elaine, I got his name and occ. from his daughter's birth cert.

        1851 ref HO107/2225/624/8 2 Lloyd st. Manchester St Barnabas Ancoats.

        Marriage batch no. LDS MO101503-8 Film 2113206 Page 102
        Jen
        Avatar: One of my paintings.

        Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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        • #5
          1851 census on Ancestry (for anyone else who is looking!)


          transcribed as Mary Hinn!
          Elaine







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          • #6
            Think it is meant to be Flinn Elaine, she is with son Thomas my great grandfather, so know it's them.
            Jen
            Avatar: One of my paintings.

            Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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            • #7


              This might be them in 1841

              Moggie

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              • #8
                The 1851 census you have given shows household as:

                Mary Hinn 39 - name is Flinn on image
                Thomas Hinn 16
                Margaret Hinn 12
                William Hinn 11
                John Hinn 8
                Michael Hinn 5
                Joseph Hinn 3
                - all born in Lancashire

                The only one I can see in 1841 which matches is this household:

                Michael Flinn 35 - occ labourer - born Ireland
                Mary Flinn 25 - occ silk weaver - born Lancashire
                Thomas Flinn 7 - born Lancashire
                Margaret Flinn 2 - born Lancashire
                William Flinn 1 - born Lancashire
                address: Corbetts Road, Salford

                ..JAMES FLINN born abt. 1810 Occ: stated as Carter on daughter's birth cert. On 1841, he is a weaver.
                Which birth certificate do you have and what is the address?
                ? On 1841 he is a weaver ... where??
                Elaine







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                • #9
                  Originally posted by maudarby View Post
                  I looked at that one Moggie, but the names for the children don't match the 1851 census.
                  Elaine







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                  • #10
                    Elaine i think she lost one or two children had others and gave them same names.....

                    I have Margaret's birth cert....born in 1839 at Old Mount street. St George Manchester. Mother Mary Flinn Formerly Gibbons. Father James Flinn. Weaver.
                    Jen
                    Avatar: One of my paintings.

                    Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jen~Ealogy View Post
                      Elaine i think she lost one or two children had others and gave them same names.....
                      .
                      .. as if often the case - just to make things more difficult for us.

                      What I was trying to point out that the 1851 census that you say is the right one has mother Mary (1816 - correct for rounding down age) and children of Thomas (1845). Margaret (1839) and William (1840)

                      The 1841 census which I found has parents Michael and Mary (1812), Thomas (1844), Margaret (1839) and William (1840).

                      Too close for comfort!!! :(
                      Elaine







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                      • #12
                        Yes Elaine but with a name like Flinn it's hardly surprising....and common given names.
                        These are the children I have for them

                        Thomas 1834 my gggf
                        Margaret 1839
                        Willima 1840
                        John 1843
                        Michael 1846
                        Joseph 1848
                        Jen
                        Avatar: One of my paintings.

                        Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                        • #13
                          Not criticising your research - I'm playing devil's advocate here! :D

                          Where did you find the names of the children - John, Michael & Joseph.
                          If it is only from the 1851 census how do you know that you have the right family?
                          What proof do we have that the 1851 census you say is the right one, and the one I found in 1841 is a different family?

                          I haven't looked - are there any baptisms online??
                          Elaine







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                          • #14
                            The address for the 1841 census that I posted was Old Mount Street.
                            Moggie

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by maudarby View Post
                              The address for the 1841 census that I posted was Old Mount Street.
                              Moggie
                              I thought I had seen it somewhere this morning - couldn't remember where!
                              Elaine







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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by maudarby View Post
                                The address for the 1841 census that I posted was Old Mount Street.
                                Moggie
                                The family on that census is
                                James 35
                                Mary 30
                                William 10
                                Catherine 8
                                James 6
                                Margaret 2

                                - so Jen, looking at that - have you bought the certificate of this Margaret, thinking it might be the right child - and therefore matching it with parents of James and Mary
                                - maybe the wrong certificate -

                                - and the one you need is from this family in 1841

                                Michael Flinn 35 - occ labourer - born Ireland
                                Mary Flinn 25 - occ silk weaver - born Lancashire
                                Thomas Flinn 7 - born Lancashire
                                Margaret Flinn 2 - born Lancashire
                                William Flinn 1 - born Lancashire
                                address: Corbetts Road, Salford
                                Elaine







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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                                  The family on that census is
                                  James 35
                                  Mary 30
                                  William 10
                                  Catherine 8
                                  James 6
                                  Margaret 2

                                  - so Jen, looking at that - have you bought the certificate of this Margaret, thinking it might be the right child - and therefore matching it with parents of James and Mary
                                  - maybe the wrong certificate -

                                  - and the one you need is from this family in 1841

                                  Michael Flinn 35 - occ labourer - born Ireland
                                  Mary Flinn 25 - occ silk weaver - born Lancashire
                                  Thomas Flinn 7 - born Lancashire
                                  Margaret Flinn 2 - born Lancashire
                                  William Flinn 1 - born Lancashire
                                  address: Corbetts Road, Salford
                                  Hmm......that's thrown a spanner in the works Elaine. I think I will have to go back and start again with this family.
                                  I haven't re-visited them for at least 5 yrs, since my original searches, some of the info of which is probably stashed away in older record books which I need to dig out again......but it has helped having you and Moggie looking for me........I think a clean sweep is needed here, so a lot to get on with now.
                                  Many thanks for the help I needed a push with them.

                                  From memory, I traced them through my great grandfather John William Flinn born 1858, the son of Thomas Flinn & Pheobe Birkin. So need to start back there again.
                                  Jen
                                  Avatar: One of my paintings.

                                  Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                                  • #18
                                    Apologies for throwing a spanner in the works! :(

                                    Just to make a note - looking on the LancsBMD site there are two possible births for a Margaret Flinn c1839 - one whose birth certificate I presume you have - but another one which was recorded as Margaret Flynn - so keep an open mind with the spelling (which I am sure you are anyway).


                                    .. and if it is Mary & Michael as parents, possible marriage from the IGI
                                    Michael Flinn / Mary Whalley
                                    4 Nov 1833 Cathedral Manchester
                                    Elaine







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                                    • #19
                                      Yes I have done Elaine although I know the FLINN spelling is correct from my great grandfather's name and the fact that his three children (including my grandmother ) were FLINN'S.
                                      Jen
                                      Avatar: One of my paintings.

                                      Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                                      • #20
                                        Thomas Flinn & Pheobe Birkin
                                        I think you need to get this marriage cert to find out if his father was a James or a Michael.

                                        Moggie

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