41 and 51 cenStaffs look up please

[juelzee]

Hi everyone,

I have just received a death certificate from 1844 and it has me in a tissy.

The death is for an Elizabeth Wagstaff aged 19 Cotton Spinner living Hot lane, Burslem, Staffs. The informant is also an Elizabeth Wagstaff living Hot lane.

I beleive the 19 yr old is living with a William and Frances on the 41 and is probably a neice, her father being cornelius but who is the other? can anyone find me another Elizabeth on the 41 or 51 living Hot lane

Many thanks

Julie

[Elaine ..Spain]

Julie, just to say have had a look and can't see another Elizabeth Wagstaff.

[juelzee]

Thanks Elaine,

I just have no idea who she could be

[Mary from Italy]

No, me neither.

Fanny (Frances) is still in Hot Lane in 1851, now widowed, living with children William, Sarah and James and a lodger.

Should we be looking for Cornelius and his wife, or had they died by then?

[juelzee]

Hi Mary,

I have been at this for years. Fanny and William are my direct line and have me stumped. There is no marriage for them but from their sons birth James Bishop Wagstaff I know her maiden name is Hudson. William dies in 1843. I have found baptisms for all the children on the 41 except Elizabeth.
On the 41 in Hot lane is Cornelius who had 8 children and I can account for all of them on the 41 except Elizabeth and had assumed her to be with William and Fanny.
There are no baptisms for Cornelius or william. Cornelius marries 4 times and states his father as John, Labourer. the 41 has His youngest Maria with his mother in Newcastle, and I beleive his father died in 1833...
I was hoping Elizabeth could tie the two families togther, but instead of solving it I now have another query.



Julie

[Darksecretz]

Hi Julie,

is it possible that Fanny had another name? (ie Elizabeth?)

[Darksecretz]

Julie,

have you seen this??

https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aelizabeth~ %2Bsurname%3Awagstaff~ %2Bbirth_year%3A1820-1830~ %2Bfather_givenname%3Acornelius


hmmn, even more interesting

https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Awagstaff~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1820-1830~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Acornelius

[juelzee]

Well anything is possible, but so far I have never found fanny under elizabeth. I have traced all cornelius children from birth to death. The only one outstanding is Elizabeth.

[Darksecretz]

Well anything is possible, but so far I have never found fanny under elizabeth. I have traced all cornelius children from birth to death. The only one outstanding is Elizabeth.

erm, if you click on the links on post #7 you might be suprised :smilee:

[juelzee]

Sorry Darksecret, I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. I already know that Elizabeth was baptised in stafford in 1826

I have found a marriage. Elizabeth Wagstaff to John Ball 1845. Can anyone find her on the cen please

[Darksecretz]

I have found baptisms for all the children on the 41 except Elizabeth.

apologies if I got this wrong but I thought you said you hadnt found a bapt for Elizabeth

[juelzee]

It is a bit confusing. I never found a baptism for an elizabeth to william and Frances. I did find elizabeths baptism to cornelius but could find nothing after this so had assumed the elizabth in hot lane with william is cornelius daughter thus tying the two fam together.

sorry for not answering sooner as i did not realise there was a 2nd page. Its been awhile since I was on here.

[Darksecretz]

No thats ok Julie, I would think that the best course of action would be to go through the pr's and see what lies there, I did see the burial for Elizabeth, it might say more in the pr's.

[juelzee]

The only thing in the pr is that she is 19 living hot lane. Oh its so frustrating.

[Darksecretz]

ok different tack here,

have you looked to see if there is a William b/of Cornelius?

[juelzee]

From the cen Cornelius is born 1799ish Burlem or Newcastle william 1800 born Burslem.
Corn has 8 children 4 survivie to the 41 cen and he married 4 times and stated father john. Corns youngest Maria is with a Sarah Wagstaff in Newcastle who must be his mother. There are two marriages for a John Wagstaff to a Sarah in Newcastle William has 6 children 3 on cen. No marriage found but know mothers name as Francies Hudson.

There is no baptism for william or cornelius and none for presumed father John. There are no wills available for any and no court proceedings either and to top the lot no MIs.
You can see why I am frustrated.

[Darksecretz]

oh yes Julie, I know what you mean, frustration is a bad thing, but I think that you have looked at things pretty well.

I take it his first marriage was in 1846 to Ann Thomas?

then another marriage in 1864 to Ann Bedson? (his last marriage?)

I see now from looking abit further there is another marr in 1822 to Mary Banks

[juelzee]

Thats right, and in 1837 to mary Morris.

[Darksecretz]

it does seem odd though that no-where has his bapt (Cornelius, I mean) I have tried casting the net abit further and not alot seems to be appearing.

[juelzee]

I think my next task is to check out poor releif. Daughter Maria is in the wookhouse on the 51 and I think Mother Sarah may have been moved from Burslem to Newcastle after John Died in 1833. Not sure what poor releif can tell me though.