Name help needed

[Orangeblossom]

Ancestry have wonderfully added West Yorkshire archives to their site and I'm having a field day with all the info. I have, however, come a bit stuck with a marriage record. The marriage is between John Russel and Sarah Jubb.

I can read Sarah's father's name ok, but John's it too difficult to read. The writing isn't that great and it's quite faint.
Marriage-JohnRussell1847-crop.jpg

I've cropped it but if you need more, I can post the rest.

[Darksecretz]

Tracy,

do the witness names help at all? or where the bride signs her maiden name?

[SmallTownGirl]

Hi

It seems to end with "as", and consequently I've been trying to make it into Thomas. Also, if you hadn't already said that the surname was Russel(l), I wouldn't have been able to see it.

[Orangeblossom]

No, though one is Martha Russell who could be John's sister. I can't find them in 1841 though as there are loads.

Thanks SmallTownGirl. I looked at it from a distance and thought Thomas too, but when I look close up, it looks like it starts with a H.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Umm ... you need to look at Mandy's page on Facebook! Have just been struggling with this!

[SmallTownGirl]

Don't suppose there are any other "Th"s on the page that we could use to compare?

[Olde Crone Holden]

It looks remarkably like Thomas to me!

OC

[Gwyn in Kent]

Jane Smith who married the previous week had a father Thomas.
I think this is Thomas too.

Gwyn

[Darksecretz]

i'd go with Thomas yes, but, the surname, well is another matter.. Tracy, do you have a high res scan of the cert? that we can look at?

[Darksecretz]

an even better idea, is to post the link to the bit on ancestry.. :smilee: (copy url into this thread, to link it directly)

[Elaine ..Spain]

Just to fill you in, Tracey has now found the marriage of John's sister Martha, and the father is shown as Thomas.

Tracey,
could these be baptisms for John's siblings (source IGI) - parents shown as Thomas & Sarah

MARY RUSSEL
Christening: 03 APR 1825 Batley, Yorkshire, England
HANNAH RUSSELL
Christening: 30 MAR 1823 Batley, Yorkshire, England
MARTHA RUSSEL
Christening: 17 FEB 1828 Batley, Yorkshire, England
WILLIAM RUSSEL
Christening: 11 APR 1830 Batley, Yorkshire, England
ELIZA RUSSEL
Christening: 05 JUL 1835 Batley, Yorkshire, England

- with this as the 1841 census

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1841&indiv=try&h=12878318

HO107; Piece 1345; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Hunslet Ward; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 5; Page: 3; Line: 22;
- with the ages of some of the children being rounded down.

[Orangeblossom]

Here you go, for those with Ancestry: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=18283966

I'm hoping the surname is also Russell or that will create a whole other problem lol

Thanks again Elaine. That does look like it's the right ones.

I'm a little confused by the marriages. Is it normal for people to put their maiden names when they act as witnesses for their siblings?

Martha's marriage for ref: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=18283928

[Darksecretz]

dont matter I have found it, oohher Hisham Russell???? mmm someone should've gone to specsavers..lol!

[Orangeblossom]

Have located John's baptism in 1821. It's in a Leeds church which makes sense. Think you've cracked it

[Darksecretz]

snap Elaine.. just found them on the 41

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/browse/view.aspx?dbid=8978&iid=WRYHO107_1344_1345-0491&pid=12878318&ssrc=&fn=Thos&ln=Russel&st=g

[PDennis]

His name is Hisham Russell, I have just found this on Ancestry, perhaps someone can get in to Ancestry as at the moment my subscription has run out.

Marriage of

Name:	John Russell
Spouse:	Sarah Jubb
Father:	Hisham Russell
Birth:	year
Marriage:	date - city, Yorkshire, England

[Olde Crone Holden]

Sorry, but his name is Thomas. Hisham is a mistranscription by Ancestry. Possibly mistranscribed by the same person who turned my John Holden into Iolo Ololohu!

OC

[Darksecretz]

Sorry, but his name is Thomas. Hisham is a mistranscription by Ancestry. Possibly mistranscribed by the same person who turned my John Holden into Iolo Ololohu!

OC

pmsl!! oh dear OC what a doozy!!! (I know I shouldnt laugh, but it makes you wonder just how much 'training' or 'samples' these transcribers actually got!)

[cpdavis35]

pmsl!! oh dear OC what a doozy!!! (I know I shouldnt laugh, but it makes you wonder just how much 'training' or 'samples' these transcribers actually got!)

There are some mysterious mistranscriptions to say the least...but that is a very strange one....

[Darksecretz]

~~~~ to Craig