Bmd

[Dogberry]

Im looking for a marriage that may have taken place around 1909 to 1911. I've searched the BMD on Ancestry with no luck and Ive tried all variations of both surnames.

My question is, are the BMD's reliable ? Or do I have to go to the local office where the marriage might have taken place and search there ?

[Elizabeth Herts]

Would you like to post the details and we can see if someone can find it?

[Dogberry]

Joseph HUTHART b1889 in Keswick, Cumberland.
Annie MACKERETH b1891 in Kendal, Westmorland.

Their first child was born 1910 in Lancaster, Lancashire.

Many thanks for looking !

[Elizabeth Herts]

I can't find this marriage either. I can't find one for Joseph Huthart that is satisfactory, which is the worry. Perhaps they didn't marry but just lived as man and wife.

I note that they went on to have several more children.

[cpdavis35]

I don't think they did..here they are in 1911.

Joseph Huthart - Head - 22 - Assistant Warehouseman
Annie Huthart - Wife - 20
Constance Huthart - Daughter - 1
Evelyn Huthart - Daughter - 2 months

Says they have been married 2 years and so far they have 2 kids.

Ooops forgot to mention the address 91 Westham Street, Lancaster.

[Dogberry]

That is my thought too. But did people with several children do that in the early 1900's ?!

They have filled in the 1911 census return as Head & Wife.

Oh well, perhaps I may come across it !

Thank you for your time.

[Dogberry]

I don't think they did..here they are in 1911.

Joseph Huthart - Head - 22 - Assistant Warehouseman
Annie Huthart - Wife - 20
Constance Huthart - Daughter - 1
Evelyn Huthart - Daughter - 2 months

Says they have been married 2 years and so far they have 2 kids.

Ooops forgot to mention the address 91 Westham Street, Lancaster.

Yes, thats them but I cant find the marriage !

[Tom Tom]

It's always possible that it was missed from the entries that were sent to the General Register Office.

It would be worth searching the parish registers for their area if you can, or perhaps asking the local register office to double check.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Looks as if Joseph remarried in 1919 to Gladys Calam - several more children. I cannot see a suitable death for Annie, after 1916, either as Huthart or Mackereth.

I note that an Annie Mackereth married in 1909 in Kendal, but not to Joseph Huthart.

OC

[cpdavis35]

it's possible they didn't ..one of my great grandmothers was still married at the time of the 1911 census and she was listed living with a widower...she even had her married name on the census and her two kids that she had with this widower.

[Christine in Herts]

You'll find plenty of examples amongst trees here, of people who didn't get around to marrying at any time you'd expect - even at all!

Christine

[Vivienne]

A Joseph H Huthart married a Gladys A Calam, Jun qtr 1919 in Pocklington, Yorkshire.
That is the closest I can find.

[Dogberry]

Looks as if Joseph remarried in 1919 to Gladys Calam - several more children. I cannot see a suitable death for Annie, after 1916, either as Huthart or Mackereth.

I note that an Annie Mackereth married in 1909 in Kendal, but not to Joseph Huthart.

OC

Thats looks like an interesting avenue to follow ! Thank you.

[Vivienne]

I thought maybe she was Gladys Annie & they lied about being married in 1911.

Trust me to do what I'm always saying others do & not reading the thread properly. Trouble is it takes me so long to type that the thread has moved on while I'm at it.


Where did you get the name Mackereth from?

[Dogberry]

Where did you get the name Mackereth from?

From the birth cert of their youngest child b1916.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Vivienne

I also wondered if Gladys and Annie were the same person, but the Annie Mackereth who married in 1909 didn't marry a Calam, lol. Also, she must have ditched her hubby on the way back down the aisle, to give Joseph Huthart a child in 1909.

The name Mackereth is given as mmn on Lancsbmd for Huthart children.

OC

[Vivienne]

Oh dear, I think I'd better leave it to others, I'm too slow to keep up with you lot! :o;D

[Olde Crone Holden]

Dogberry

As you have the birth cert of the youngest child you presumably have some personal knowledge of the family. For instance, did that youngest child, born in 1916, have half siblings to their father's marriage in 1919? If so it might be worth getting the 1919 marriage cert to see what Joseph Huthart gives as his marriage condition in 1919.

OC

[Dogberry]

OC

It isn't known if there are any half siblings, and to confuse matters the children of the MACKERETH / HUTHART marriage were put into care whilst all still quite young.

The marriage of 1919 is new to my research but may account (if it is my HUTHART) for the children being placed into care at around that time. No obvious record for the death of Annie HUTHART (MACKERETH) is also a concern.

[Olde Crone Holden]

In 1916 Joseph OUGHT to have been in the Army, which might explain why the children were put into care, whether their mother died or not.

There are a couple of mentions of a Joseph Huthart during WW1 on TNA, but I have no way of knowing if they are him or not. What was Joseph's occupation?

OC