John Luttman - Where are you?

[PhotoFamily]

Looking for John Luttman in 1841 and 1871, as well as his birth.

John Luttman, born abt 1827, Bow, Middlesex.

Can't find birth/baptismal record for him

1841 - MISSING
1851 - I think he's with the Barrell family in MEOT. It says brother, but I suspect brother-in-law is correct
1856 - marries Elizabeth in Paddington; Father: John Luttman, whose occupation is gardener
1861 - Stepney
1871 - MISSING
1881 - MEOT
1891 - MEOT

Thanks!

[PhotoFamily]

Found the 1871!
Lattman! The transcription appears correct, it was the enumerator who misspelled it.

[margaretmarch]

Who else might he be living with in 1841?
Not seeing anything on an initial trawl but if the name is written incorrectly it might only be possible to identify him from association with others.
Margaret

[cpdavis35]

On the 1851 census i found this... not with the barrell family...

address - 192 Whitechapel Road, Stepney.

Henry Williams Head 69
Sarah Williams Wife 70
Richard Whatford? son-in-law 75
Ann Whatford? daughter 44
JOHN LUTTMAN servant 23 - Porter - Born Bow, Middlesex

[PhotoFamily]

No, I don't know who he would have been with in 1841. The marriage record shows his father as John Luttman, witnesses James Richards and Mary Ann South???

I actually think the John Luttman with the Williams family is the same as the John Luttman with the Barrell family! I've seen individuals counted twice in the US census, anyone ever seen it in the UK census?

At the Barrell house, he reports that he is a Fishmonger's shopman. At the Williams house, his relationship is servant, his occupation is porter, and Mr Williams is a Fishmonger. Any opinions about this idea?

It is also interesting that Mr Barrell is a bricklayer - John Luttman is a bricklayer when he marries.

[Guest]

I have a lady who is on one census 3 times at her different childrens addresses so it is possible.

[margaretmarch]

No, I don't know who he would have been with in 1841. The marriage record shows his father as John Luttman, witnesses James Richards and Mary Ann South???

I actually think the John Luttman with the Williams family is the same as the John Luttman with the Barrell family! I've seen individuals counted twice in the US census, anyone ever seen it in the UK census?

At the Barrell house, he reports that he is a Fishmonger's shopman. At the Williams house, his relationship is servant, his occupation is porter, and Mr Williams is a Fishmonger. Any opinions about this idea?

It is also interesting that Mr Barrell is a bricklayer - John Luttman is a bricklayer when he marries.

Often employees were described as servants. Being counted twice I think could easily happen as the forms were given out in the week before and handed back he week after so people had plenty of scope to get it wrong.
Margaret

[Guest]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=MDXHO107_675_676-0460&fn=John&ln=Lutman&st=r&ssrc=&pid=7246086

what about this one transcribed as Lutman

[PhotoFamily]

Possibly he, but no other clues to confirm it!

I like the idea that he is both of the Luttmans in 1851. Haven't figured out how he is related to the Barrells.

Thanks, everyone

[Night Owl]

Mary Ann Luttman married Charles Barrell on 12th May 1845 at St Matthew Bethnal Green. Her father was John Luttman, gardener which ties in with what your John Luttman said at his marriage.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1623&iid=31280_194853-00536&fn=Mary+Ann&ln=Luttman&st=r&ssrc=&pid=6337186

[PhotoFamily]

Thank you, Jackie - I hadn't looked for it yet. Now I need to find her in 1841