Charles Henry Hicken

[avolon]

Hi

Can anybody help,
I am trying to trace my fathers ancestors, I have got as far as my
Great Grandfather Charles Henry Hicken

His Marriage certificate states married February 1883 aged 23 his occupation was
Iron plate worker, his Father was Edward Hicken, occupation Shoemaker

In the 1891/1901/1911 census Charles Hicken born 1860 Occupation Iron plate worker born in Gloucester

The Problem is I can’t find a birth for Charles Hicken in Gloucester for 1860,
I can’t find Charles Hicken living with his parents
And I can’t find an Edward Hicken who is a shoemaker


David

[Tom Tom]

Who did he marry in 1883?

Looks like he was Boarding with the Sherlock family in 1881
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...2567976&recoff=
There is a Frederick Hicken also boarding with them, probably Charles' brother?

[Tom Tom]

Looks like his birth was registered

Oct-Nov-Dec 1862 Gloucestershire
Vol 61
Page 239

This would confirm he is the right one (father's name) and also give you mother's name which would make it easier to find them on the census.

[avolon]

He married Emma Skidmore 25th Feb 1883 in Birmingham

[margaretmarch]

Who did he marry in 1883?

Looks like he was Boarding with the Sherlock family in 1881
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...2567976&recoff=
There is a Frederick Hicken also boarding with them, probably Charles' brother?

The record for that one has been corrected by someone who has a tree on ancestry, might be worth making contact to see if they are related and can help with your research.
There's also a Mary A Hicken listed and she is shown as a daughter and married so where is her husband if it is not one of those already in the household.
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

There are 4 Hicken birth registered in Gloucester
Samuel Frederick Hicken Jul-Aug-Sep 1857 Gloucester Gloucestershire
Charles Hicken Oct-Nov-Dec 1862 Gloucester Gloucestershire
Edward Hicken Jan-Feb-Mar 1864 Gloucester Gloucestershire
Frederick Hicken Jul-Aug-Sep 1866 Gloucester Gloucestershire
Possibly all the same family.
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

looks like Mary A Sherlock married Samuel Hicken
Samuel Hickin Oct-Nov-Dec 1879 Aston Warwickshire <<<<<<
Thomas Neesham Oct-Nov-Dec 1879 Aston Warwickshire
Mary Ann Sherlock Oct-Nov-Dec 1879 Aston Warwickshire <<<<<<<
Selina Tysall Oct-Nov-Dec 1879 Aston Warwickshire

[margaretmarch]

That makes me think that all the Gloucester births are brothers and Charles + Frederick are her brothers in law so described as boarders in the household.
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Here's Samuel and Mary Ann in 1891 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...c=&pid=2503824

and Samuel on his own in 1881 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=15961669

[margaretmarch]

The only Samuel Hicken I can find b c1857 in 1861 is this one http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=18175583 but the father is Frederick occ Cordwainer (which is a shoemaker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordwainer ).
I wonder if Frederick died before Charles knew him and therefore wasn't entirely sure of his name?
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Looks like the death for the father Frederick
Frederick Hicken
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1863 Registration district: Gloucester Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a Page: 190

PS the tree I've found on ancestry shows this death to be for Frederick age 4 and it has an exact date so someone has seen a certificate.

[margaretmarch]

This looks like the other brother Edward in 1881 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/...St+Martin.28.4
although he is listed as Edwin

[margaretmarch]

Now here's a puzzle a death for Eliza Hicken in Gloucester
Eliza Hicken
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Registration district: Gloucester Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a Page: 152
Can't see another marriage for Frederick before he dies in 1863

[margaretmarch]

Emma Bingham Oct-Nov-Dec 1856 Radford Nottinghamshire
Henry Buckall Oct-Nov-Dec 1856 Radford Nottinghamshire
Henry Bucknall Oct-Nov-Dec 1856 Radford Nottinghamshire
Frederick Hicken Oct-Nov-Dec 1856 Radford Nottinghamshire <<<<<<
Eliza Merchant Oct-Nov-Dec 1856 Radford Nottinghamshire <<<<<<<

Looks like the marriage for Frederick to Eliza he was born in Nottingham so this would fit.
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Here's a tree on ancestry that has Charles in it. http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/898...66161606?ssrc=

Actually there are several tress that include Charles, some more complete than others, worth a look and getting in touch - lots of rellies out there!!

[avolon]

Hi Tom Tom and Margaret

Thanks for your help, I have had a look at the tree in post #15 and I will try and get in touch with them

[margaretmarch]

I think several of the trees on ancestry are copied from one so it will be good if you can find out who did the original research and has the certs. I would ask if they will send you copies so you can see for yourself and therefore be sure of the findings.
None of them can show where Frederick senior and the family are in the censuses you were looking to find Charles so I would have a healthy scepticism about everything until you see proof !
Margaret