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Glen in Tinsel Knickers
26-07-11, 10:26
3rd great granny-
County Norfolk
Place Kings Lynn
Church St Margaret
BaptismDate 17 Dec 1782
Forename Rebecca
Sex F
FatherForename William MotherForename Martha
FatherSurname THORBON



As there are few results for the name I opted for a soundex search and Norfolk as the preferred county; I'm pretty certain this is the baptism of my 4th grt grandfather, there are also several baptism records for siblings and all the names filter down through the generations.


County Norfolk
Place Kings Lynn
Church St Nicholas
BaptismDate 26 May 1745
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename John
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname THORBONE

The only fly in the ointment is that I don't have anything to indicate when he was born so is the 1745 baptism just wishful thinking???

Lin Fisher
26-07-11, 10:44
Just having a quick look for you.

Found this on Family search new site

William Thorbon male burial date 7 Jan 1792 at Lynn Norfolk.

I'll keep looking

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
26-07-11, 10:49
Thanks

Found a few bits and put them in report form, making an assumption the death you mention is his then everything seems plausable?

Descendants of :
William Thorbon


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Generation 1

1. William Thorbon died Jan 1792 in Kings Lynn, Norfolk. He married Martha Rogers 10 Jul 1770 in St Margarets, Kings Lynn. She was born in Possibly Norfolk and died in Unknown.

Children of William Thorbon and Martha Rogers:
i. 2. Joseph Thorbon was born 1772 in Kings Lynn, Norfolk
ii. William Thorbon was born ABT 1772 in Kings Lynn, Norfolk
iii. James Thorbon was born 1774 in Kings Lynn, Norfolk
iv. 3. Rebecca Thorbon was born 1782 in Kings Lynn,Norfolk and died in Great Dunham,Norfolk


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Generation 2

2. Joseph Thorbon was born 1772 in Kings Lynn, Norfolk.
Other events in the life of Joseph Thorbon
Baptism: 10 Jan 1772 in Kings Lynn, Norfolk


Children of Joseph Thorbon:
i. William Thorbon was born ABT 1801 in Guernsey, Channel Islands and died AFT 1891
ii. Mary Thorbon was born ABT 1803 in Guernsey, Channel Islands and died AFT 1891
iii. Martha Thorbon was born ABT 1809 in Guernsey, Channel Islands and died AFT 1891

3. Rebecca Thorbon was born 1782 in Kings Lynn,Norfolk and died in Great Dunham,Norfolk. She married John Harrison 27 Nov 1823 in St Nicholas, Kings Lynn. He was born ABT 1790 in unknown.
Other events in the life of Rebecca Thorbon
Baptism: 17 Dec 1782 in Kings Lynn, Norfolk


Children of Rebecca Thorbon and John Harrison:
i. 4. Elizabeth Martha Harrison was born 1826 in Heacham,Norfolk and died 05 Sep 1864 in Walsingham,Norfolk


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Generation 3

4. Elizabeth Martha Harrison was born 1826 in Heacham,Norfolk and died 05 Sep 1864 in Walsingham,Norfolk. She married George Elmer 10 Mar 1851 in Parish Church,Great Dunham,Norfolk. He was born 1823 in North Elmham,Norfolk and died 29 Jul 1901 in 37 Sibthorpe Street, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, son of Robert Elmer and Hannah Curson.

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Generation 4 includes a group of children born to George Elmer/Elizabeth Martha Harrison who have the middle name of Thorbon and forenames of ancestors including Martha, William, John. Elizabeth and Rebecca.

Lin Fisher
26-07-11, 11:06
Just found REbecca 1782 but you have found it. Are the original records on LSD pilot where Norfolk is view only and not transcribed or indexed. This might help a bit.

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
26-07-11, 12:02
I found a lot on the pilot site when it launched and a lot of bits on freereg, luckily the details always seem to match so the transcriptions must be pretty good.

I think I have most of the stuff from 1770 forwards but it was late yesterday I found the 1745 baptism, i'm just hoping it could be the breakthrough I have waited for on this line...............but is it my lot??? Gawd I hate that question every time it comes up :)

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
26-07-11, 13:34
Mmm

Wonder if these are the burials of John and Elizabeth?

County Norfolk
Place Kings Lynn
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 18 Sep 1767
Forename John
Surname THORBONE
Notes Affidavit Mr Patteson 19
FileNumber 1008

County Norfolk
Place Kings Lynn
Church St Nicholas
BurialDate 21 Feb 1766
Forename Elisabeth
Relationship Wife of
Rel1MaleForename John
Rel1Surname THORBONE
Surname THOREBONE
Notes Affidavit Mr Patteson 24
FileNumber 1008

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
27-07-11, 11:27
Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh



Look what I found about Joseph Thorbon..........from a site listing letter of marques taken out against the United States War of 1812

Link so I can find it again myself..............http://www.1812privateers.org/Great%20Britain/Reg%20and%20Dec.htm

Link to image of declaration........http://www.1812privateers.org/1812IMAGES/015.jpg

Guernsey 15 (vessell) Lion Cutter (commander) Joseph Thorbon (tons) 127 2 4 10 12 (men) 45


also found via a google search but relating to William 7 sisters from Guernsey.
In the 1841 census we find in the Hospital of St Peter Port in Guernsey:
Mary EBINSTON, 8
Joshua EBINSTON, 7
William EBINSTON, 3
All paupers, all born in Guernsey.

Mary - it seems that, by 1851, Mary (as Emma ELBERSTONE) had gone to work as a servant for a family called THORBON in St Peter Port, Guernsey and that she stayed with them through every census (1851-1891) until she died in 1895.
From 1851-1881, the family comprised Wiliam THORBON and his sisters Mary and Martha; William had passed away before the 1891 census.
Both surnames (that of the family and that of the servant) are variously spelled/transcribed.
A possibility is that the family changed Mary's name to Emma - possibly because one of the family members was named Mary (well, you wouldn't want William THORBON calling for the servant and his sister Mary THORBON coming at a run instead!). Though Emma does appear in some censuses as Emma M - perhaps Mary was her middle name and was used in 1841.

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
27-07-11, 12:07
several refs for this 1812 stuff i have found are in the surname of Priaulx, am I right in thinking that's the same name as the library/archives for Guernsey records?


And he was also involved in earlier times too, this time against Prussia

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/books-1.png

Christine in Herts
27-07-11, 22:37
William & Martha's 1770 marriage is also on FreeREG. You've presumably found that one?

Christine

kylejustin
28-07-11, 14:58
looks good glen.

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
29-07-11, 15:26
William & Martha's 1770 marriage is also on FreeREG. You've presumably found that one?

Christine

Yes Christine I found the marriage, 10 Jul 1770 in St Margarets, Kings Lynn. I'm working on the (assumed) age at marriage being 21+, therefore birth/baptism abt 1750 and earlier, knowing my luck they were not baptised, baptised late in life or originate from the other end of the country but you have to start somewhere.

Apologies to all for going slightly off topic with the Guernsey stuff, not having the pc at home and not having the memory sticks on me all the time means threads are sometimes me notepad too!!

Darksecretz
29-07-11, 16:56
no need to apologise Glen :smilee: we all ramble and talk to ourselves sometimes!

and I think you are right too about the name Priaulx

http://www.priaulxlibrary.co.uk/

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
30-07-11, 10:14
no need to apologise Glen :smilee: we all ramble and talk to ourselves sometimes!

and I think you are right too about the name Priaulx

http://www.priaulxlibrary.co.uk/


I bet they still want to charge for research when my rellie probably saved them from some terrible fate............not fair!!!!!

Darksecretz
30-07-11, 10:47
er yea.. about £21 an hour!!!! not sure quite how easy it will be though to research, as their BMD records are still held on the Island and also very little info is actually 'out there' in the ether. It does state that the LDS only has a tiny amount of filmed BMDs for Guernsey though :(

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
30-07-11, 11:17
er yea.. about £21 an hour!!!! not sure quite how easy it will be though to research, as their BMD records are still held on the Island and also very little info is actually 'out there' in the ether. It does state that the LDS only has a tiny amount of filmed BMDs for Guernsey though :(

Looky uppeys are £5 apparently, but what you get is the big unknown.

I don't have a bride for Joseph b1772 and therefore no mother for his Guernsey born children, William, Mary and Martha, marriage and baptism lookups might be worth a shot, and deaths/burials for Joseph and his spouse.

I have a rellie lives on Guernsey but he is connected on my paternal side and isn't mad keen to look for me, not blinky fair!!!!!!!!


I have a bit of info about a chap mentioned on the Guernsey and England census returns, he is connected to William, Mary and Martha in someway but chops his name around, details where known given below;-



1871 Channel Islands Census
Name: Martha Thorbon
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Peter Port
Town: St Peter Port
County/Island: Guernsey
Country: Channel Islands

Registration district: Guernsey
Sub registration district: A
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a

Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
William Thorbon 72
Mary A Thorbon 68
Martha Thorbon 62
Clement Wilson 8
Emma Ebernstein 37

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1881 Channel Island Census
Name: Martha Thorbon
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: St P Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands

Civil Parish: St Peter Port
County/Island: Guernsey
Country: Channel Islands

Street address: 35 Canichers
Occupation: Annuitant

Registration district: Guernsey And Adjacent Islands
Sub registration district: A
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma M. Ebenstean 46
Martha Thorbon 73
Mary A. Thorbon 77
William Thorbon 82
Clement A. Wilson 18


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Marriages Jun 1888
Thorbon Clement Alexander W Fulham 1a 440 (to Caroline Amelia Vander Vord)

Also listed but unseen on Ancestry records (London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921)




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1891 Unknown but indexed as follows

Name: Clement C Thorbon
Spouse: Caroline E Thorbon
Birth: abt 1863 - Guernsey, Channel Islands
Residence: 1891 - city, London, England


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1901- possible mistranscription of place of birth???

Clement Thorbone
Birth: abt 1863 - Germany
Residence: 1901 - township, city, London, England

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1911
THORBON CLEMENT ALEXANDER M 1863 48 Chelsea

Darksecretz
30-07-11, 12:02
ooh I see what you mean Glen, so was his middle names, Alexander Wilson?

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
30-07-11, 12:22
I'm not sure, I can't find a birth ref under Thorbon or Wilson, the nearest I can get for anything close to a match is using forenames only;

Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
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PITTS Clement Alexander Poplar 1c 583


I think in the '71 he is down as grandson to the head (William), Mary and Martha are consistently down as unmarried suggesting they were aged spinsters at death, but I haven't found anything marriagewise for Wiliam either.


I haven't checked the freebmd images but there are only 3 transcribed records for the surname


Births Sep 1844 (>99%)
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Thorbon Sarah N. Witchford 14 121

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Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Thorbon Clement Alexander W Fulham 1a 440



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Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
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Thorbon Frederick D T Cutbush Godstone 2a 67



Completely off the wall but a search of freebmd with blank surname and +Thorbon as forename brings up the descendants of the people I mentioned in post #1, the only result that appears that is a complete unknown to me is this one;

Births Sep 1853 (>99%)
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FANTANNE Antoine Thorbon St Lukes 1b 560


Sounds a bit like french/channel isle origins???????? And it's the only record in that surname on freebmd too!!!

Darksecretz
30-07-11, 13:37
it does sound french that it does Glen, not sure what to suggest now.. LDS?

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
30-07-11, 13:46
Aye, that it does,

No Guernsey stuff on there for my lot, a bit for the Thorbon name and variants in Norfolk, the Fantanne name does give an 1821 birth

Darksecretz
30-07-11, 17:19
oooh lookit..

Name: Pierre Antoine Fontanne
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1855
Registration district: St Luke
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 551

Darksecretz
30-07-11, 17:23
ooooooooohhhhhhhhh

Name: Antoine Fontanne
Probate Date: 4 Aug 1883
Death Date: 9 Jul 1883
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: Principal Registry

it appears he was a Brass Type founder, and his wife was Mary Eastwell Ellis Fontanne

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
31-07-11, 09:31
Thanks Julie

Now for an AHA moment

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
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Thorbon Frederick D T Cutbush Godstone 2a 675




Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
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Thurbon Pxxxxxx Cutbush Godstone 2a 401

Births Mar 1933 (>99%)
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Thurbon Kxxxxxxxx Cutbush Godstone 2a 359




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Not connected but just a giggle from the index, births with Cutbush as mmn

Births Mar 1957 (>99%)
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SHIPP Nxxxxxx CUTBUSH
TRUNKS Jxxxxxx CUTBUSH

Darksecretz
31-07-11, 11:45
jeez what a name to g'tbed on......

Christine in Herts
31-07-11, 14:24
Just in case you try chasing up the FONTANNE surname... I've had a bit of a play, and I'm pretty certain that Lynn FONTANNE, the American actress, who died aged "90" in 1983, was probably born "Ida Eveline FOUNTAIN" in 1888q4 (W Ham).

I concluded this based on a combination of probability, emigration passenger indexes, and her obit, which says she was b at Woodford, Essex. One passenger list gave her age as 31, in a year that would give her YoB as 1888. One gave her birthday as December (1892). Her eminent actor husband, Alfred LUNT was b 1892 (or 1893... I forget... but after 1888).

I couldn't find a trace of a "Lynn", but realised that it was likely to be an abbreviation of, say, Evelyn. As a professional actress, she is likely to have wanted [a] to appear younger than actual and [b] certainly no older than her husband (whom she married 26 May 1922 in NY). It's likely that she would have chosen a "stage name", and very possible that it would have borne some resemblance to her actual name.

Anyway - althought the name appears to link to your research, I think she's almost certainly red herring.

Christine

PS - Even if you don't recognise the names of Alfred LUNT and Lynn FONTANNE, they moved in illustrious cultural circles (respected composers, famous playwrights, etc).

Glen in Tinsel Knickers
31-07-11, 15:09
Thanks Christine

The thread might seem a bit random but I always find areas or instances that point to things already in my tree, middle names that are surnames of earlier generations for example or refs to far flung instances of the narrow forename range that two lines use.

Christine in Herts
31-07-11, 15:15
I tend to think that digressions either find things, or eliminate things, or add to your understanding of how to find or eliminate things. I can't think of a trail I ever thought was a complete waste of time.

Christine