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**cpdavis35** · 05-07-11, 16:14

looking at Familysearch website. The only Henry Hall that comes up around that time was:-

Henry Hall, baptism/christening 23 Nov 1787 Averham, Nottingham, England.

Father's Name William Hall and Mother's name Sarah.

Do you know who your Henry Hall's parents were?

Might be correct...

Craig.

**greyingrey** · 05-07-11, 18:38

No, Craig.....unfortunately, I don't know that. Thanks for refinding that....that was the village near Newark that I was talking about. This could be either my Henry, or the one who said he was born in Newark or a completely different one. I've been in touch with a descendant of the one who said he was born in Newark......I'll contact him again & see if he's found a baptism for his Henry

**greyingrey** · 05-07-11, 18:51

The only children I've been able to find for my Henry are Henry & Mary (presumably named after their parents & possibly grandparents)) & Samuel (so he wasn't named after the parents of the Henry you found (or Mary's parents.....Joseph & Phoebe). Must be other children I can't find, though

**cpdavis35** · 05-07-11, 19:21

The other Henry Hall that is on the 1841 census through to 1861 census was married to a Frances (a later wife of this Henry after Elizabeth?) This Henry Hall was born in Staythorpe. Don't know how close that is to the bap/christ in Averham to know if this was his or your Henry's bap/christ.

**greyingrey** · 05-07-11, 19:49

Thanks Craig. Staythorpe would fit, as it's between Newark & Southwell. I'll try & see if I can find out if Henry of Newark's Elizabeth died before him.

**Darksecretz** · 06-07-11, 20:45

Grey there is another bapt for a Henry Hall in 1790 Elston, All Saints (Elston is near to Bleasby/Hoveringham) parents Henry & Patience Hall. and it looks like they had two daughters too, Katherine b. 1792 and Elizabeth b. 1794

**greyingrey** · 06-07-11, 20:58

Oh, thank you, Julie......that's a more likely location, isn't it ? Waiting for the descendant of the Henry Hall who settled in Southwell to get back to me to see if he knows which baptism is "his" Henry Hall & what he bases that on, then, at least, I'll hopefully eliminate one, but yours looks the most likely.

Thanks for your bimbling (as you put it).

Might have to leave the family history stuff for 2 or 3 weeks now, but I'll pick up on this again

**Darksecretz** · 06-07-11, 21:31

ooooh hope everything is ok... but shout up if you need anything :smilee:

**cpdavis35** · 06-07-11, 22:51

grey, not sure you have this info but 1841 census:-

Address: Burton Joyce
Basford, Carlton, Nottinghamshire

Henry Hall 50
Mary Hall 45
Mary Hall 15
Henry Hall 6

Looking on Familysearch website:-

Henry Hall born to parents Henry Hall & Mary - baptism/christening 1st Feb 1835 Burton Joyce Cum. Place - Bulcote, Nottingham, England.

Mary Hall same place Christening 19th March 1826. Burton Joyce, Nottingham.

However there are also 2 other possible kids with parents listed as Henry Hall and Mary and thse are:-

Sarrah Hall bap/christ Burton Joyce Cum 25th Jan 1824. Place Bulcote, Nottingham & John Hall same place bap/christ 2 March 1823. Death 28th March 1823.

One interesting thing is the age gap between the kids Mary and Henry... did the parents have other kids that were born to them but died before the 1841 census?

Craig

**greyingrey** · 07-07-11, 14:27

Thank you very much to you both. Got to dash, but I'll have a consider of what Craig has found. later
....I also found a child named Samuel, who died when he was a few months old. I'm OK, Julie....bit of a rough time lately, but out of it now, I think.....as I hope you are.

**greyingrey** · 07-07-11, 16:15

I hadn't got John or Sarah & only Mary's year of baptism (thanks Craig) Samuel was born in June 1839 & died in Sep 1839. The gap between Mary & Henry IS interesting....maybe other children who'd survived had been sent away into service etc (assuming my Henry was the one born at Elston, which I think probable, we haven't found any children named after Mary's parents or Henry's mother.) Mary's father was Joseph Rockley....they were living in Bulcote, but the only other Rockleys (let alone Joseph Rockleys) I can find in Notts were living at Arnold....so all in that corner of the county. Surprisingly, I can't find anyone else researching Rockleys.....it doesn't sound that unusual, though

**cpdavis35** · 07-07-11, 17:02

Not yet found a birth for Mary Rockley with father's name of Joseph. According to the 1841 census Mary is listed as 5 years younger than Henry (50 & 45) but i can only find one in Nottinghamshire around 5 years after Henry c1891 was:-

Mary Rockley birth 14 dec 1797. bap/christ 25 dec 1797. Place, Lowdham, Nottingham. Father Richard Hall Mother Elizabeth. But as the parents don't match up to what you are looking for this is probably not correct...

**Darksecretz** · 07-07-11, 17:50

Originally posted by greyingrey View Post

The only children I've been able to find for my Henry are Henry & Mary (presumably named after their parents & possibly grandparents)) & Samuel (so he wasn't named after the parents of the Henry you found (or Mary's parents.....Joseph & Phoebe). Must be other children I can't find, though

hmmn IF Henry & Mary are the parents, then I have found at least 8 children bapt at St Helens in Burton Joyce...

John 02/03/1823 @BJ d. 28/03/1823 4wks
Sarah 25/01/1824 @BJ
Mary 19/03/1826 @BJ d. 18/07/1849 23yrs
Elizabeth 29/06/1828 @BJ
Ann 30/01/1831 @BJ d. 24/09/1824 9m
Hannah 12/11/1832 @BJ d. 15/02/1840 7yrs
Henry 25/01/1835 @BJ
SAMUEL 23/06/1839 @BJ d. 23/09/1839 4m

Henry is listed as a FWK (not totally uncommon occupation in this neck of the woods though)

Henry Hall Sr. d. 08/11/1845 55yrs
Mary Hall Sr. d. 02/08/1858 64yrs

there are two other deaths as well,

Henry d. 23/04/1865 2yrs
Sarah d. 26/04/1865 4yrs

**Darksecretz** · 07-07-11, 17:51

Originally posted by cpdavis35 View Post

Not yet found a birth for Mary Rockley with father's name of Joseph. According to the 1841 census Mary is listed as 5 years younger than Henry (50 & 45) but i can only find one in Nottinghamshire around 5 years after Henry c1891 was:-

Mary Rockley birth 14 dec 1797. bap/christ 25 dec 1797. Place, Lowdham, Nottingham. Father Richard Hall Mother Elizabeth. But as the parents don't match up to what you are looking for this is probably not correct...

Craig, dont forget that the ages were sometimes 'rounded' down too for the 41 cens

**Darksecretz** · 07-07-11, 18:14

there are two other deaths as well,

Henry d. 23/04/1865 2yrs
Sarah d. 26/04/1865 4yrs

I think these two belonged to Henry & Sarah HALL as they seem to have quite a few children bapt in BJ too.

**cpdavis35** · 07-07-11, 18:50

I keep forgetting that Dark, thanks... sometimes i wish they had put correct ages on back then... would make it a bit easier on things that are pre 1837 for us.

**greyingrey** · 07-07-11, 19:02

Craig.....I've got Mary Rockley baptised in Bulcote cum Burton Joyce (ie Burton Joyce serving as the church for Bulcote too) on 17 Aug 1794. As Henry's Mary says she was born in Bulcote on the 1851 census, I assume that's her (although Lowdham is next door too) I go straight back through the the 2 Henrys in Burton Joyce (if you see what I mean).....my g grandmother was the second Henry in Burton Joyce's daughter, Elizabeth

**greyingrey** · 07-07-11, 19:05

Thanks for the other children, Julie.....still no Joseph, Phoebe or Patience though.....maybe they weren't too fond of their parents & Henry named his son after himself only

**Darksecretz** · 07-07-11, 20:22

no worries Grey, so are the other two children (Henry & Sarah) part of your family too? (parents Henry & Sarah)

ahh I see that Henry Hall married Sarah DRING in BJ 12/01/1857

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