Can anyone help me find John Blakemore?

[Bev Nicholes]

I am looking for any information about John Blakemore, as so far I can't find him on a census, or even find his marriage to Jane Bailey.

His daughter Hannah was born in 1842 in Ashford in the Water, Derbyshire, she was my husbands 2 x great grandmother. I found her living with her Grandparents on the 1851 in Ashford, Peter & Alice Bailey and also her sister Mary born 1840 in Cumberland.

I found her Mother Jane Blakemore living as a lodger nearby, possibly with her employer & his family on the 1851 census in Ashford, but no sign of John, so don't know where he was born or how old he is.

Any help gratefully received

Bev

[Janet H.]

FOR REFERENCE...........................

1851 England Census
Peter Briley born abt 1778 Ashford, Derbyshire

living in Ashord Derbyshire

Household:
Peter Briley 73 - head of household
Alice Briley 61
Mary Blakeman 10
Hannah Blakeman 8

[Mary from Italy]

According to the new familysearch site, John and Jane were married at Manchester Cathedral on 29th July 1841:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/index/record-search-advanced#searchType=records&filtered=false&fed=true&collectionId=&advanced=true&givenName=john&surname=blakemore&eventType=marriage&marriageLocation=&marriageYear=&range-marriageYear=0&relationship=spouse&spouseFirst=jane&spouseLast=bailey

This is the entry on FreeBMD; with that reference number, you can get the certificate from the GRO:

Marriages Sep 1841
Bailey Jane Manchester 20 424
Blakemore John Manchester 20 424
BLEAKMORE John Manchester 20 424

This will give you John's age and occupation and his father's name.

[Janet H.]

Superintendent Registrar,
Register Office,
Heron House,
47 Lloyd Street, Manchester, M2 5LE
Cert Ref : Marriage Certificate
Manchester : CATH/21/317

[Mary from Italy]

According to Hannah's baptism entry, she was born on 16th October 1842:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/index/record-search-advanced#searchType=records&fed=true&collectionId=&advanced=true&givenName=hannah&surname=blakemore&eventType=birth&birthLocation=&birthYear=&range-birthYear=0&relationship=parents&fatherFirst=john&fatherLast=&motherFirst=jane&motherLast=&filtered=false

but there isn't a matching birth entry in Derbyshire in that quarter.

There is this one, however:

Births Dec 1842
Blakemore Susanna Bakewell 19 324
BLEAKMORE Susannah Bakewell 19 324

and the Bakewell registration district includes Ashford in the Water.

[Mary from Italy]

This is Mary's baptism, so John and Jane were presumably still in Cumberland at the time of the 1841 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/97YN-2PF/p1

[Mary from Italy]

Here they are in 1841, living in Salford, all born out of county:

John Blackmore 25
Jane Blackmore 25
Mary Blackmore 3 m.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=LANHO107_585_586-0246&fn=Jane&ln=Blackmore&st=d&ssrc=&pid=6303612

They were in Cumberland 2 months earlier for Mary's birth and baptism (the 1841 census was taken on Sunday June 6th), and married in Manchester the following month.

[Bev Nicholes]

Wow, thank you so much for all your help Janet & Mary you are amazing

Bev

[Mary from Italy]

Can't see an obvious death for Jane or John, and I can't find an obvious candidate for John in 1851 or Jane after 1851.

I originally thought the John Rothwell Blakemore who died in Salford in 1858 might be John, but it isn't (that death relates to an infant).

[Mary from Italy]

I have tried searching for J B, in case either Jane or John was in prison or in the workhouse, but again I haven't found anything obvious.

[Mary from Italy]

I think your next step is probably to get the marriage cert, in the hope that we can make some progress with John when we know his father's name; there are really too many John Blakemores to be able to get much further at present without at least knowing his county of birth and a more accurate age (in 1841, ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, although they weren't always).

[Bev Nicholes]

Thanks, I will order that tomorrow but know more than I did before with your help

[Uncle John]

His daughter Hannah was born in 1842 in Ashford in the Water, Derbyshire.

Ashford in the Water is now quite literally in the water, at the bottom of a reservoir.

[SmallTownGirl]

Ashford in the Water is now quite literally in the water, at the bottom of a reservoir.

Er, not unless it's disappeared since last Thursday, when I drove through the village.

It's just off the A6 between Buxton and Bakewell.

[Uncle John]

Whoops!

[Bev Nicholes]

I received the marriage certificate this morning for John Blakemore and Jane Bailey. It shows his father as Richard Blakemore, occupation Leadminer same as his son. So fingers crossed it helps find where John was born......... any help finding anything would be most welcome

[Mary from Italy]

I can't find an obvious baptism for John, or an obvious candidate for Richard in 1841 or 1851, although of course he may have died before John and Jane married (it doesn't always say "deceased" on the marriage cert).

What ages are given for John and Jane in the marriage cert? Is her father's name and occupation correct?

[Bev Nicholes]

Hi Mary, no it doesn't say deceased for either father, but its not always acurate. The ages are both given as Full Age, which doesn't help narrow it down much unfortunately. Jane's father is correct Peter Bailey, also a leadminer. Witnesses were William Bailey & Barbara Bailey so no clue for John Blakemore there!

[Mary from Italy]

What a nuisance. I've also looked for John in 1861, but the only one with a remotely similar occupation (shingler at iron works) isn't him, because he's already living with a wife and child in Shropshire in 1841.

[Bev Nicholes]

Thanks for trying Mary, its much appreciated but I think he might remain a mystery for a while, but will keep looking. I have had more luck with Jane's parents and siblings, but would love to find her with John on a later census.