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    If someone died of this, would I be right in thinking that as I cannot find a stillborn child or a live child, that it would've been caused by a Miscarriage or Termination?
    Julie
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    I depends when the death took place - prior to 1927 stillbirths were not registered - in addition entries on the stillbirth register are only available to parents or siblings of the child if the parents are deceased. So it could have been as the result of a stillbirth or late miscarriage, but I don't think the term would be applied to a termination.
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    • #3
      Thanks Helen, the death occured of the mother in 1891 due to Purpureal fever, her burial is listed and within the burial books are numerous stillborn burials, but nothing for her though, (these are listed as stillborn child of Mr & Mrs XXXX) If there were a child I would expect to see it there, but I have found nothing. This is what is leading me to think that it was a miscarriage or possible termination, though I am leaning towards the miscarriage theory myself.
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      • #4
        I suppose the stillbirth could have been missed off the register - especially if the baby was buried with the Mother. I presume the other stillbirth burials were recorded because the mothers survived and the clergyman was keen to record each burial. It could be interpreted a lot of ways and you may never be able to find out what really happened - frustrating but all part of family history. I often wish I had a crystal ball to answer all these sorts of questions.
        Last edited by Helen Henderson; 04-03-11, 13:00. Reason: correct spelling
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        • #5
          Hi Julie

          Remember my Emma Jane Newbury? Her Mother died from puerperal mania and from the research I did at the time it can "attack" just after the birth or even a couple of weeks before, which I suppose means that the baby would never be born.

          This complaint attacks women after childbirth. The most common time for it to begin is a few days, or a week or two before delivery; more frequently among those who are recently confined. The danger d...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Helen Henderson View Post
            I suppose the stillbirth could have been missed off the register - especially if the baby was buried with the Mother. I presume the other stillbirth burials were recorded because the mothers survived and the clergyman was keen to record each burial. It could be interpreted a lot of ways and you may never be able to find out what really happened - frustrating but all part of family history. I often wish I had a crystal ball to answer all these sorts of questions.
            Hmmn maybe, there are others though sometimes it will say that two people (siblings) are in the same coffin & grave and I am pretty sure that I have seen mother and child in the same grave too, this burial book seems to be a goldmine of info, if only others were as informative. :smilee:

            Originally posted by Tom Tom View Post
            Hi Julie

            Remember my Emma Jane Newbury? Her Mother died from puerperal mania and from the research I did at the time it can "attack" just after the birth or even a couple of weeks before, which I suppose means that the baby would never be born.

            http://chestofbooks.com/health/gener...ral-Mania.html
            ~~~~ to Tom, yep I remember, :smilee:

            is just annoying though that I cant find out whether she did or didnt lose the child...grr, presumably I will just have to make a note of it and let it rest.
            Julie
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            • #7
              I have the same, Julie, a woman who died of puerperal fever but no trace of a child.

              I'd assumed it was a stillbirth and not recorded (although you do see 'stillborn child of...' in the burial registers, it always seemed to me there were not enough to account for all the stillborn children there must have been). Perhaps it depended on whether the Vicar bothered to record it?

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              • #8
                Puerperal mania is a mental disorder caused after the birth of a child. Puerperal fever affects the mother, not the baby. It is caused by infection. After the baby is born, where the placenta breaks away, leaves an open wound for a while where infection can be introduced.

                It was a very common cause of death until the realisation was made that washing your hands before touching women in childbirth was a good idea.

                There's a novel I read last year about a Scottish doctor who first theorised about this, but a much later doctor Sammelweis is generally credited with ending puerperal fever as a cause of death.
                ~ with love from Little Nell~
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                • #9
                  There is a marvellous book about Semmelweis and his discovery/cure that I read years ago - remember thinking it was ' dull & deadly ' for the first 2 or 3 chapters then reading it in bed until about 3.00am as it suddenly became fascinating ! Unfortunately I cannot remember the title or author !!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Little Nell View Post
                    Puerperal mania is a mental disorder caused after the birth of a child. Puerperal fever affects the mother, not the baby. It is caused by infection. After the baby is born, where the placenta breaks away, leaves an open wound for a while where infection can be introduced.

                    It was a very common cause of death until the realisation was made that washing your hands before touching women in childbirth was a good idea.

                    There's a novel I read last year about a Scottish doctor who first theorised about this, but a much later doctor Sammelweis is generally credited with ending puerperal fever as a cause of death.

                    Thats the thing Nell, I cant find a Birth for any child born to her.. which is what made me think that she had miscarried or had a termination, though I cant see the latter applying, she already had a son and had been married for over a year.
                    Julie
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BC View Post
                      There is a marvellous book about Semmelweis and his discovery/cure that I read years ago - remember thinking it was ' dull & deadly ' for the first 2 or 3 chapters then reading it in bed until about 3.00am as it suddenly became fascinating ! Unfortunately I cannot remember the title or author !!!
                      was it this one BC?

                      Julie
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                      • #12
                        I had Puerperal fever after my first baby was born ,seems I had miscarried a twin and the other afterbirth got missed, I almost died as it was missed for so long, wont go into details but I was very lucky.

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                        • #13
                          blinking heck Val... a sad story, but am glad that you recovered! :smilee:
                          Julie
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                          • #14
                            I recovered Julie but dont think I was ever normal again ???

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                            • #15
                              Slightly irreverant of me, but seeing the title Purperal fever, I thought Scarlet fever only purple! I'd never heard of it before though
                              ~Val~

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
                                I recovered Julie but dont think I was ever normal again ???
                                maybe not, but we still love you! :smilee:
                                Julie
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                                .......I find dead people

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                                • #17
                                  As I recall, the main organism causing puerperal fever is Haemolytic streptococcus group B, this is also implicated in neonatal death, so it could easily be that the child died at the same time.( the baby catches it from Mum on it's way out!) I can understand your frustration at not being able to find the record though.
                                  As far as I know women are routinely screened for this bug now in their ante-natal care as with the advent of antibiotics it can be dealt with.
                                  Sue x


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                                  • #18
                                    Sue,

                                    I have her death cert and have seen the entry in the burial book for the cemetery, nothing, no mention of a child, none to be found. I'm now wondering if she did miscarry and that part of the placenta was left behind and this caused the fever. Don't suppose i'll ever know really, is just frustrating that I cant find any ref to a child.
                                    Julie
                                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                    .......I find dead people

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                                    • #19
                                      i wish you luck julie. wasn't this the cause of death for jane seymour?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
                                        Sorry, no. This one looks 'academic ' where mine was written more as a novel If I ever solve it I'll let you know.

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