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  • Richard EVANS b.1865/6 Merionethshire

    Good Evening,

    I know I'll have to get certs to prove this but I wondered if a few collective minds may help me a little more.

    My gggrandfather was Richard (Maurice) EVANS. He was born around 1865 in Festiniog, Merionethshire.
    He married Rebecca JONES around 1888 (still haven't discovered where yet!)

    Here he is on the 1891/1901 and 1911 census.

    1891 Census
    17 The Huts, Treharris, Merthyr Tydfil
    Richard Evans, Head, 24, Haulier, Festiniog Merionethshire
    Rebecca Evans, Wife, 21, Merthyr Tydfil Glamorganshire
    Richard W Evans, Son, 1, Treharris Glamorganshire

    1901 Census
    Elsie Road, Gelligaer, Bargoed
    Richard Evans, Head, 36, Pumpsman Colliery, Festiniog Merionethshire
    Rebecca Evans, Wife, 32, Aberystwyth Cardiganshire
    Richard W Evans, Son, 11, Treharris Glamorganshire
    Mary E Evans, Daughter, 9, Treharris Glamorganshire
    Edward EVANS, Son, 7, Treharris Glamorganshire
    Laura Evans, Daughter, 5, Treharris Glamorganshire
    Jane E Evans, Daughter, 3, Treharris Glamorganshire

    1911 Census
    40 Edward Street, Pengam, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
    Richard Maurice EVANS, Married 23 years, 46, Electric Engine Driver Coal Mine, Merioneth Festiniog, English/Welsh
    Rebecca Evans, Wife, Married 23 years, 40, Aberystwyth Cardiganshire
    Edward EVANS, Son, 17, Coal Miner, Glamorgan Treharris
    Laura Evans, Daughter, 15, Treharris, Glamorganshire
    Jane Ellen Evans, Daughter, 13, Treharris Glamorganshire
    Mabel Evans, Daughter, 10, Bargoed Glamorganshire
    Evan John Evans, Son, 8, Bargoed, Glamorganshire
    Robert Henry Evans, Son, 7, Waunarlydd Glamorganshire
    Doris May Evans, Daughter, 4, Pengam Monmouthshire
    Tomas George Evans, Son, 2, Pengam Monmouthshire
    Sydney Evans, Son, 7 months, Pengam Monmouthshire
    13 children, 11 still living
    Now, like I said I'm pretty certain the only way to continue this back is to obtain certs, but I've traced the wrong family so far.

    I have established that Evan and Grace are NOT Richard's parents.

    I'm not sure what to do next.

  • #2
    Well, this looks like his possible birth - Richard MORRIS Evans - April-June 1863 - Festiniog ref 11b 457
    Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
      Well, this looks like his possible birth - Richard MORRIS Evans - April-June 1863 - Festiniog ref 11b 457
      Thank you! I think I must have overlooked this... Spelt like that I recall finding a sheet in the 1881 census with a Richard Evans around the right age. He was with his mother Laura and grandfather Morris..

      I haven't made the connection properly until now..

      In 1863/1881 it was probably spelled phonetically.. So Maurice could have sounded like Morris.. But then if the family were Welsh speakers, i is pronounced e. Hmmm.. So it would have sounded like Morrees... But if the registrar was also a Welsh speaker he would have heard it as it sounds...

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      • #4
        That sounds quite likely Beth.
        I haven't found a likely marriage yet. There is one in Pontypridd in 1883 (in case they got married a bit late) and there are only 2 women listed for the three men. However, I have looked for a Rebecca married in the same quarter and the only two that I found weren't Jones and they had the wrong reference when I checked the page.
        How do you know that she was a Jones by the way?
        Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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        • #5
          Sorry, I missed that reason off the original post...

          Here's the amended 1891 census! I missed off the biggest link!

          17 The Huts, Treharris, Merthyr Tydfil
          Richard Evans, Head, 24, Haulier, Festiniog Merionethshire
          Rebecca Evans, Wife, 21, Merthyr Tydfil Glamorganshire
          Richard W Evans, Son, 1, 1890, Treharris Glamorganshire
          Isaac Jones, Brother, 19, 1872, Coal Miner, Swansea Glamorganshire
          It was the only reasonable assumption!

          Here's Rebecca and Isaac in the 1881 Census (I think)

          103 Twynyrodyn, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire
          William Jones, Head, 48, Fitter, Breconshire
          Elizabeth Jones, Wife, 49, Denbigh Denbighshire
          Elizabeth Jones, Daughter, 17, Dom Servant, Birkenhead Cheshire
          Thomas Jones, Son, 13, Collier, Manchester Lancashire
          Rebekah Jones, Daughter, 11, Scholar, Carmarthen Carmarthenshire
          Isaac, Son, 7, Scholar, Swansea Glamorganshire

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
            That sounds quite likely Beth.
            I haven't found a likely marriage yet. There is one in Pontypridd in 1883 (in case they got married a bit late) and there are only 2 women listed for the three men. However, I have looked for a Rebecca married in the same quarter and the only two that I found weren't Jones and they had the wrong reference when I checked the page.
            How do you know that she was a Jones by the way?
            I also can't believe you kept up with what I said.. I've just read it back and it sounds like rambling.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
              I haven't found a likely marriage yet. There is one in Pontypridd in 1883 (in case they got married a bit late) ?
              Isn't that a bit early Chrissie. Rebecca would have been 13!
              Elaine







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              • #8
                There is a possible marriage in April - June 1889 in Pontypridd ref 11a 716 There are 2 men and two women on the page and one of the females is Rebecca Jones and one of the men is Richard Evans, but no second name is listed.
                Can you tell me where you got the information about his second name from please?
                Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                  Isn't that a bit early Chrissie. Rebecca would have been 13!
                  Oops - so she would I was thinking it was 1893 :o
                  Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
                    There is a possible marriage in April - June 1889 in Pontypridd ref 11a 716 There are 2 men and two women on the page and one of the females is Rebecca Jones and one of the men is Richard Evans, but no second name is listed.
                    Can you tell me where you got the information about his second name from please?
                    The 1911 census:

                    Richard Maurice EVANS, Married 23 years, 46, Electric Engine Driver Coal Mine, Merioneth Festiniog, English/Welsh

                    I think the Pontypridd marriage is quite likely!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                      Isn't that a bit early Chrissie. Rebecca would have been 13!
                      Now that would have been a skeleton! ;)

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                      • #12
                        Yes of course, I had forgotten the 1911. It's funny that the Maurice/Morris bit isn't mentioned until the 1911.

                        The trouble is that the possible birth I found is rather early but I can't find a Richard Maurice or Richard Morris birth anywhere else that fits.
                        Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                        • #13
                          Well, this looks like the only likely birth for the first son. So perhaps his birth cert might be the one to go for. That would hopefully tell you the fathers second name and should confirm the mothers name.
                          Richard William Evans - Jan-March 1890 - Merthyr T (Merthyr covers Treharris) - 11a 593
                          Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
                            Yes of course, I had forgotten the 1911. It's funny that the Maurice/Morris bit isn't mentioned until the 1911.

                            The trouble is that the possible birth I found is rather early but I can't find a Richard Maurice or Richard Morris birth anywhere else that fits.
                            That's why I'm having so many problems...

                            I have the marriage cert of his son (my g grandfather) Edward in 1915 and he's only down as Richard EVANS on there! :( No Maurice or the like.

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                            • #15
                              Perhaps he was having delusions of grandeur in 1911 :D Had he been promoted recently?
                              Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
                                Perhaps he was having delusions of grandeur in 1911 :D Had he been promoted recently?
                                :lol: I don't know about that... But this is the guy on my family tree!

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                                • #17
                                  That explains it then Beth - he had been promoted to an engine driver from a pumpsman:D
                                  Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                                  • #18
                                    I've just had a theory - another lol :D
                                    I wonder if he was brought up by a grandfather named Morris/Maurice and by 1911 he thought it would be nice to include him in his name?
                                    Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
                                      Well, this looks like his possible birth - Richard MORRIS Evans - April-June 1863 - Festiniog ref 11b 457
                                      I've found this one in 1881.

                                      Pant Llwyd, Festiniog

                                      Laura Evans, Head, Widow, 45, Grocer, Trawsfynydd Merionethshire
                                      Richd M Evans, Son, 18, Quarryman, Maentwrog Merionethshire
                                      Ed M Evans, Son, 16, Quarryman, Maentwrog Merionethshire
                                      Evan Evans, Son, 11, Festiniog Merionethshire
                                      Robert Evans, Son, 9, Festiniog Merionethshire

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                                      • #20
                                        Yes, I thought that birth was too early - sorry.
                                        Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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