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Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 20:29
Can anyone find this family on 1881 got them all up to 1911 just can't find them on 1881


This is them on 1891


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=6598&iid=MDXRG12_1078_1080-0246&fn=Thos&ln=Dunn&st=r&ssrc=&pid=1618592

Thanks

Linda

Darksecretz
07-02-11, 21:31
do you have them in any earlier census Linda? did they have other children before 1881? and was thomas' occupation still a carpenter?

Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 21:50
Hi Julie,

Here he is on 1871 no occupation given unfortunately

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=DEVRG10_2077_2081-0350&fn=Elizabeth+W&ln=Dunn&st=r&ssrc=&pid=9170510



Linda

Darksecretz
07-02-11, 22:48
Hi Julie,

Here he is on 1871 no occupation given unfortunately

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=DEVRG10_2077_2081-0350&fn=Elizabeth+W&ln=Dunn&st=r&ssrc=&pid=9170510



Linda

are you sure that this is the same people?? Florence shoudve been born about 1877? in middlsex.. and the dads name is Marten?

Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 23:03
Yes I think this is him before he married.....this Florence is his sister!!

Linda

Darksecretz
07-02-11, 23:07
OH right, (sorry) I now see that this Marten is Thomas' DAD duh!!!

Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 23:09
Lol.

Linda

Darksecretz
07-02-11, 23:15
do you happen to know when Thomas marries Elizabeth?

Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 23:30
According to 1911 census they had been married 29 years which makes marriage about 1882, so Florence born 1877, was either born out of wedlock or someone else was her Father and she took Thomas's name

I would have presumed they married in London as that's where his wife Elizabeth was born according to census's

Darksecretz
07-02-11, 23:32
hmmn so ideally we need to find that marriage.. this would then prove one way or the other who the fathers of the B&G were :D

Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 23:34
Right just found Thomas Dunn married Elizabeth Louise Love Marylebone March quarter 1882


Found a Florence Louise Dunn born 1876 in right area. Not sure what's going on. I think I will have to get her birth cert. to be sure of anything


Linda

Darksecretz
07-02-11, 23:47
Right just found Thomas Dunn married Elizabeth Louise Love Marylebone March quarter 1882


Found a Florence Louise Dunn born 1876 in right area. Not sure what's going on. I think I will have to get her birth cert. to be sure of anything


Linda

yep thats what I have just found.. I wonder if then Florence was born a LOVE?

Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 23:53
Now just found a Florence Louise Love born 1877 Chelsea. On census it says she was born in Kilburn. is that near Chelsea?? I'm getting a headache her but it has been really good having you help Julie

Linda

Uncle John
07-02-11, 23:56
There's a Kilburn in north Yorkshire (home of Robert "mouseman" Thompson) but it's not that one!. Kilburn is a couple of miles north of Marylebone.

Loopy Linda in La La Land
07-02-11, 23:59
On 1891 it says Paddington where are the paracetemol????? lol


Linda

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 00:00
I wouldnt order any certs just yet Linda.. need to explore other avenues before, you go buying them.. :D I think we next need to see if we can find Elizabeth Louisa LOVE on the 1881 census, and see who she is with.. and try and see if there are any family names that ring bells.

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 00:03
On 1891 it says Paddington where are the paracetemol????? lol


Linda


lol! Paddington isnt that far from marylebone I dont think.. my London Geog isnt very good.

Loopy Linda in La La Land
08-02-11, 00:12
Hi Julie,

I am off to bed now as I have an early start tomorrow. I didn't want to just go off and leave you searching on your own.

I'm going to have another look tomorrow when I get home. Your help is much appreciated, two heads are better than one............just need extra paracetemol for the extra head lol

Thanks

Linda

Lin Fisher
08-02-11, 09:40
I looked at this last night but couldn't find them on 1881 so gave up. Correct me if I am wrong but did it say that Florence was a nursechild or nursegirl. By this did they mean she was 'adopted' by them or was she a nurse.

Not got any records in front of me at the moment.

Loopy Linda in La La Land
08-02-11, 10:28
Hi Lin,

So frustrating. I am off for another look...............AFTER that dratted (whispers) HOUSEWORK

Linda

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 11:10
Morning, I was thinking that maybe you may be better getting a b/cert for one of the later children to confirm that her MN was LOVE, once you know that then order the marriage cert.

Loopy Linda in La La Land
08-02-11, 11:22
Good Morning Julie,

Having a quick check on here again despite the 'dust'

Great idea... I am just going to order the birth certificate of William Bramwell Dunn born 1889 reg in Hampstead. Which is what it says on 1911 Census.

Thanks for you help

Linda

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 11:25
just a quickie before you trundle off.. did either Florence or Lillian marry before 1911?

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 11:35
ooohh I have found William B baptism.... :smilee: gives parents names as Thomas HENRY DUNN, and Elizabeth Louise they had two sons bapt on the same day.. One William and a Thomas MARTIN Dunn.... I'll have a look to see if I can read the address, but its rather badly written!

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 11:41
The address looks like 106, Ros???ham Street, it gives Thomas as a General Labourer, and Williams middle name has been written down wrong and crossed out then re-entered correctly underneath, the vicar has signatured the mistake, BUT whoever has transcribed it has taken the vicars initals as his middle name! blinkin silly people!

*note: I have saved the image for you*

Loopy Linda in La La Land
08-02-11, 11:58
No neither of them did. Florence is 34 and a Milliner and next to it written Salvation Army

and Lilian is 26 and a secretary Salvation Army, William is 20 and single 'Assistant in business) Thomas (Father) was a furniture dealer by then

Oh nearly missed your previous post. Martin was Thomas's father's name wasn't it?

Linda

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 12:16
yes it was his fathers name, though I have looked to see if I can spot any other bapts but not found any, what did occur to me was that Thomas the son might have died, as there isnt any sign of him in later census??

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 12:19
Birth:
Name: Thomas Martin Dunn
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Hampstead
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 662


ooooh and William Bramwell is on the same page!!! looks like TWINS!


looks like Thomas Martin died

Name: Thomas Martin Dunn
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 1
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 193

Loopy Linda in La La Land
08-02-11, 12:30
Wow, dust is thickening lol.

Wish that image for the address was clearer on baptism cert. On 1891 they are at 15 Bradley Road, Tottenhanm, Middlesex and on 1911 at 186 Forest Row Walthamstow, Essex

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 13:00
this is the link for the baptism,

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1558&iid=31280_199434-00304&fn=Thomas+Martin&ln=Dunn&st=d&ssrc=&pid=5687727

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 13:16
right I have had a shuftie through the baptisms and it looks like the street is called 'Ravenshaw Street'

yep, have a look

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=ravenshaw+street&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

http://www.foxtons.co.uk/search?location_ids=255&property_id=660585&search_form=map&search_type=SS&submit_type=search

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 13:33
oops I mustve hit the closed button!! sorry..

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/Darksecretz_2006/ThomasmartinDUNNbapt.jpg

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 22:30
not having much luck i'm afraid Linda..

Darksecretz
08-02-11, 22:35
I really think now that you will have to get William Bramwells birth cert, and/or Thomas Martins Birth/Death to be able to confidently go back any more, IF they didnt marry until 1882 then they might still be together in 1881 posing as married, I have looked until I am boggle eyed and I cant see them.

Loopy Linda in La La Land
09-02-11, 00:33
Thanks very much for all your help Julie,

I am going to order the certs in the morning.

Thanks again


Linda