Will Death certificate give DOB

[Paulc]

quick question will a death certificate from 1960's give the individuals DOB?
The person in question is a Lizzie Ensum who died in1967 in Poplar

[Olde Crone Holden]

No, sorry, it won't. Date of birth is only included after April 1969. But it will give an age (as known to the informant) and as the surname is quite rare, you should be able to tell immediately whether this is who you want.

Or - do you already know it is her, but were hoping for a date of birth because you can't find one?

OC

OC

[Elaine ..Spain]

But it will give an age (as known to the informant)

The age will be shown on the BMD index!

[Paulc]

I could do with some help or advice or where to go next with this..........

My great-grandmother was Lizzie Daniels, she married John Edwin Barnes, (who was from Poplar, London), on 27th Oct 1909 in Dublin. Lizzie is listed as full age and spinster and her father was John Daniels deceased. I have found Lizzie Daniels in 1911 census in Dublin listed as aged 23 and married for 2 years. I contacted the Dublin Reg.Office and the only listing they have which matches is an Elizabeth Daniel dob 21st July 1889 born in NDU Workhouse, Dublin, parents are listed as John Daniel and Elizabeth McCormack.

But how do I know if this is the right one especially as I dont have her mothers name.........help....!!!............how else can I prove this right or wrong without going to Dublin??........obviously the 1901 census would help, but I have searched and searched 1901 census for something that connects but as yet cant find one, what would have linked it is the dob being listed on the death cert hence the question soooooo frustrating this one. Unless anybody can see her on 1901 census for Ireland??

[Guest]

did you try just her initials as if she was in a Workhouse they often just used them? there are a few L Ds about her age
http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...childrenLiving=

[Olde Crone Holden]

She may only have been born in the workhouse, Val. It was often the only place a mother could get free medical attention.

Small nitpicking point - if she was born 1889, she wasn't of full age when she married in 1909, but hey, lots of people lied about their age when they married.

OC

[Paulc]

thanks val,
i must admit i was purely searching all daniels/daniel census entries for either lizzie elizabeth john etc and trying to find a match- i was assuming her mother or father might still be alive hadnt considered this possiiblity, certainly could be one of those LD ones, but how will i know for sure as no fatcs that i have coroborate any other

[Guest]

hi OC I was just thinking maybe her Father was already dead and so she may have been in a Workhouse not just born in one ?

[Paulc]

how will i know if its the right one?????

[Olde Crone Holden]

Well sometimes you DON'T know if something is right.

You have to weigh up how many other Lizzie Daniels you can find and try to eliminate them. What you are left with is LIKELY to be yours, but by no means definitely, sorry!

OC

[Paulc]

haha why isnt it nice an easy

[Oakum Picker]

You obviously have the civil copy of the marriage. Was she Catholic or Protestant? If the former then the church record often records both parents. You could write directly to the church & offer a donation.

[Paulc]

she was catholic but marriage took place at the registrars office in Dublin

[Oakum Picker]

Bad luck.

[Chrissie Smiff]

Hi Paul
Did you solve your first query OK? The only death similar I can find in 1967 in Poplar is an Elizabeth Ensum April-June quarter 5d 595 (not Lizzie) and she is listed as 77 years old. So birth c1890.

[Gwyn in Kent]

Were any of the DANIELS family a witness to the marriage? If so, it may be possible to find them listed with Lizzie at the time of a census.

Gwyn

[Paulc]

yes Chrissie the death you list is the correct one, Elizabeth is Lizzie.
Unfortunately Gwyn, the witnesses were not Daniels.............this is getting more and more difficult

[Paulc]

Well sometimes you DON'T know if something is right.

You have to weigh up how many other Lizzie Daniels you can find and try to eliminate them. What you are left with is LIKELY to be yours, but by no means definitely, sorry!

OC

oh dear tried this but this list is quite long!!!

[Paulc]

just wondering if Irish BMD records are likely to be online in the future???

[Mary from Italy]

There are quite a few Irish parish records here, but it's a bit expensive unless the name's really unusual:

http://www.rootsireland.ie/?&set=yes