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  • Death cert ....witness Mix up.

    Just received my g. g. grandfather's death cert which is correct in every sense save one.
    The witness present at his death is stated as his daughter Jane Kent.

    Well his eldest daughter was named Jane, she was my g. grandmother. Jane had four other sisters, Elizabeth, Mary, Sarah Ann & Margaret. Their surname was Madeley.

    It was Mary who married one Edward Kent..........so how come this mix up?
    Jen
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    Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.


  • #2
    Could there have been another marriage for Jane?
    Freebmd indicates a possible marriage between those surnames in 1875.

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    • #3
      Don't think so Gwyn. My great grandmother Jane was only married once to Joseph Dutton. He left Jane and bigamously remarried some 16 yrs later.

      So Jane remained as Jane Dutton until her death in 1919.

      As far as I am aware, her father had 5 daughters, (named above) and Jane was the eldest. It was Mary whose married name was Kent. I don't understand what has happened here............also, I wondered if anyone could decippher the following for me..............it is the details of the doctor who certified his death.

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      Jen
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      Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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      • #4
        George H Keyworth M.B. Univ. London
        Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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        • #5
          Thanks UJ.........does this mean he would have trained at Univ. London, or would he have probably still been practicing there? and any idea what the M.B stands for..........not very well up on these things.

          Trying to establish if he was perhaps a specialist paid for privately here.
          Jen
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          Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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          • #6
            Where and when was Jane born, please?
            In 1881 a Joseph Kent has a wife Jane. They are living in Eyton, Shropshire.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gwyn in Kent View Post
              Where and when was Jane born, please?
              In 1881 a Joseph Kent has a wife Jane. They are living in Eyton, Shropshire.
              Gwyn, my Jane Madeley (Later Dutton) was born 1/11/1849 at Hanmer Flintshire. She married Joseph Dutton in 1871 in Manchester. Family grape vine has it that her father William Madeley (whose death cert this is), dis-owned her because he did not like her choice of husband, Jane spent the rest of her life in Manchester where she died. I don't think she ever returned to Shropshire.

              His other 4 daughters all married Farmers. Including Mary's marriage to Edward Kent. I don't recall any Joseph Kent, unless he was a brother of Edward's? Which is a long shot and if so, why would William call his wife his daughter? This is getting so confusing now.
              Jen
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              Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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              • #8
                Jen, could Edward & Mary have a daughter Jane & the registrar misheard daughter for grandaughter?
                Vivienne passed away July 2013

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Vivienne View Post
                  Jen, could Edward & Mary have a daughter Jane & the registrar misheard daughter for grandaughter?
                  No Vivienne, Mary & Edward's children were named as Mary, Edward, William, Annie & Solomon. No Jane.
                  Jen
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                  Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                  • #10
                    Oh butter!!! back to the drawing board!
                    Vivienne passed away July 2013

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                    • #11
                      "present at the death" doesn't mean necessarily that the informant was there at the point of death, just that they were around and about, so to speak. They aren't witnessing a death, just informing its occurrence. Perhaps Mary and Jane both went to the register office and that's how the mix up occurred.
                      ~ with love from Little Nell~
                      Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Little Nell View Post
                        "present at the death" doesn't mean necessarily that the informant was there at the point of death, just that they were around and about, so to speak. They aren't witnessing a death, just informing its occurrence. Perhaps Mary and Jane both went to the register office and that's how the mix up occurred.
                        That sounds quite plausible Nell, as I can't really prove that my Jane never returned to Shropshire. Maybe she did if she had been informed her father was ill and near to death, or had died. And if his daughter Mary Kent and Jane did record his death it would make sense. Though there is no sure fire way of proving this either. Oh piffle!!

                        It does look like something I may have to consider and accept though eventually. Good thinking Nell.
                        Jen
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                        Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                        • #13
                          Was Mary a Mary Jane?

                          Jay
                          Janet in Yorkshire



                          Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                          • #14
                            It's just a theory!
                            ~ with love from Little Nell~
                            Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post
                              Was Mary a Mary Jane?

                              Jay
                              Just Mary Janet.
                              Jen
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                              Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                              • #16
                                M.B. is Bachelor of Medicine.

                                Christine
                                Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                                • #17
                                  Thank you Christine.
                                  Jen
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                                  Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                                  • #18
                                    I'm confused..!

                                    The Jane who married Joseph DUTTON married in the March quarter, which should indicate a latest date of 31st March, but Jane MADELEY is still at home,with farming parents William and Sarah E. and unmarried at the time of the census, the following week.

                                    Where is Jane DUTTON in 1871 and 1881 please?

                                    Are these 2 different Janes?

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Gwyn in Kent View Post
                                      I'm confused..!

                                      The Jane who married Joseph DUTTON married in the March quarter, which should indicate a latest date of 31st March, but Jane MADELEY is still at home,with farming parents William and Sarah E. and unmarried at the time of the census, the following week.

                                      Where is Jane DUTTON in 1871 and 1881 please?

                                      Are these 2 different Janes?
                                      My Jane married Joseph Dutton on 2/1/1871 Gwyn.
                                      Both parties were residing at 13 Woodward street Manchester at marriage.

                                      In 1881 Jane would have been residing in Manchester and Joseph in Stockton on Tees Co. Durham.

                                      He was a Boiler maker and ships plater and lodged at Stockton. It was the woman he lodged with whom he eventually bigamously married in 1887.

                                      I am beginning to doubt the details of this family now....after 6 yrs of working on them. Shropshire is so rife with Madeley's, many related in one way or another.

                                      Jane's mother was Sarah Reeves before marriage.
                                      Jen
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                                      Researching: Brandon.London/M/cr. Tyson.France/Mcr.

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                                      • #20
                                        It sounds as if you have the certificate of marriage between Jane and Joseph DUTTON.
                                        Who is shown as her father please? ...and who are the witnesses.?

                                        I think these are 2 different Janes and Jane( the daughter of William the farmer) married Joseph KENT.

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