After putting the tree away for over a year I decided to sign up again with Ancestry and continue with the search. Within 10 minutes and thanks to the new records that have been added since i was last a member I found the marriage banns on the 17th April 1864 between a William Hogg and a Matilda Smith. They went on to have 7 children including my great grandmother. I still cannot find a marriage for them though. Why have the banns and not get married??
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Hi Jay,
The record was on Ancestry:
William Hogg
Spouse Name: Matilda Smith
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 17 Apr 1864
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
looking at the original it says they are both of the parish. I have been trawling records all afternoon but cannot find the marriage. I know both there fathers names so the marriage is not too important for me but I like to have all the pieces of the puzzle!! i cannot fathom why they had the banns read and then didn't get married!!
Oh Duh I have just realised what you mean by checking to see if they have the records I want!! Will try and figure out how to do that. thanks JayKAREN xx
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I guess it's possible that someone actually stood up, when the banns were called, with a reason why they couldn't get married - but they decided to live together anyway!
Any chance that either was already married?
ChristineResearching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...
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Hi Scuda,
Mmmm It is a mystery that will remain unsolved I think. Strange thing is their daughter my great grandmother does not appear on the marriage records either, but there are no banns for them.
thanks so much for you time in looking I do appreciate it.
xxKAREN xx
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Originally posted by Fuzzy View PostHi Christine,
LOL didn't think of that! they are both listed as being single BUT he was 30 so maybe he did have wife somewhere!
ChristineResearching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...
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Originally posted by Johnu View PostPlease remember that it was not compulsory to register marriages in England until 1875.Judith passed away in October 2018
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I think you will find that the record that was being viewed is a copy of the orginal parish register from the LMA: London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921.
Caroline
Caroline's Family History Pages
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
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Hi Caroline,
Yes that is correct. It is the original parish record. It is very strange that they never seemed to make it to the altar as they are not in the GRO indexes. Think maybe Christine has a point and someone stood up and said "hey this man cannot marry as he is already married"!! He was 30 at the time so perhaps he was already married. He did go on to have 7 children with matilda thoughKAREN xx
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Are there BTs for marriages post 1837???
I thought they ceased once a record of marriages had to be sent to the local registrar (as opposed to bp & burials, which were "church" business rather than "civil.")
No doubt someone will be able to clarify.
JayJanet in Yorkshire
Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree
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Janet
I assume there ARE still Bishop's Transcripts after 1837 as they are a sort of annual stocktaking of events which are being reported to HO, lol!
I would imagine that any church would still think the record of a marriage as primarily being their business, albeit business which has to be reported to state authorities.
But I don't KNOW........!
OC
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Browsing the images of BTs on the new FamilySearch site, I have found that there were certainly a number of years where marriages were not included in the ones I looked at: just baptisms and burials.
ChristineResearching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...
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