Is anyone at a loose end - need help finding Henry?

[vikki brace]

Hi ya everyone - I've not been about for a while, but I am trying to have some me time and do my tree.

I have come to a bit of a wall and I need a helpful wreaking ball.

Ok, This is what I have so far.

Henry Brown b.1857 (+/-1) married Mary Ann Donovan b.1859 (+/-1) 09 Jul 1881 St John the Evangelist, Walworth
Daughter - Sarah Ann Brown b.1879 Bermondsey, Surrey
Daughter - Jane Brown b.1885 Bermondsey, Surrey (Aka Agnes Jane Brown)
Son - John Brown b.1891 Bermondsey, Surrey (listed as Jack in 1911)

Henry's father according to marriage cert was Frederick Brown - deceased

According to the 1911 census they had 10 children but only 3 were living.

1911 - 13 Victory Place, Camberwell, London
Henry, Mary Ann and Jack (John)
1901 - 19 Victory Place, Camberwell, London
Henry, Mary Ann, Sarah, Jane and John (Jack)
1891 - 16 Suffolk Place, Bermondsey, Surrey
Henry, Mary Ann, Sarah and Jane

Henry's occupation is listed as Carman on the 1891 census through to the 1911 census.

I have not been able to trace Henry or the family back any further. I have found Mary Ann with her parents in 1861 but nothing else.

Any help will be very welcome

[Elaine ..Spain]

Do you have a birth place for Henry?

[vikki brace]

Do you have a birth place for Henry?

1911 - Surrey London
1901 - Bermondsey
1891 - Woolwich but could be Walworth (bad image)

[margaretmarch]

I think it's London Surrey.
Margaret

[vikki brace]

The reference for 1891 is RG12; Piece: 370; Folio 43; Page 7

The names have been mistranscribed

[Elaine ..Spain]

I thought this would be the 1891 census which gives Henry's place of birth as Westminster.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=&gsln=&sx=&f1=&f2=&f4=&f18=&f12__n=&rg_81004011__date=&rs_81004011__date=2&f27=&f14=&f15=&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=&f7=370&f8=43&f9=7&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1891&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=4&h=7143592&recoff=

RG12; Piece: 370; Folio 43; Page 7

[vikki brace]

Woops, you are right as always, I've written down Woolwich and Walworth for some reason - late night searches are always a bad idea....lol

So its

1911 - Surrey London
1901 - Bermondsey
1891 - Westminster

[Elaine ..Spain]

In other words he didn't really know!! ;)

[vikki brace]

Don't you just love it when that happens.............

I don't know if it helps but I believe that this family were Roman Catholics

[Elaine ..Spain]

It might just be a coincidence but on the marriage certificate it gives Henry's address as 28 Henshaw Street.
In 1891 there is another Brown family living at that address - I wonder if they are related in some way - might be worth tracing them back a generation to see if you can find a link.

1891 census

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=philip&gsln=brown&sx=&f1=&f2=&f4=&f18=&f12__n=&rg_81004011__date=&rs_81004011__date=2&f27=&f14=&f15=&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=&f7=&f8=&f9=&gskw=walworth&prox=1&db=uki1891&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=UKICEN&fh=0&h=11139884&recoff=1+2

RG12; Piece: 354; Folio 24; Page 8

[vikki brace]

Thanks for that Elaine. I'll have a look into that one

I'll let you know how it goes

[Elizabeth Herts]

Hi Vikkii - *waves*

Why do you think they were Catholic?

I have found the following baptism - slightly out date-wise but the area is OK for Bermondsey!

Name: Henry Brown
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Jun 1859
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Frederick Brown
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01673-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1041632
Reference Number: item 4
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

This was from the Pilot site.

[vikki brace]

~~~~Wave Back~~~~~

I found this one an ancestry too, It is one of my maybe's. There are a few other baptisms for Frederick and Sarah which I am trying to follow up see if they lead anywhere.

The reason I thought they might be RC is Henrys only surviving son John (Jack) listed his religion as RC on his Navy records

[vikki brace]

Just did some more digging looks like Henry baptised at Lambeth St. Mary was bapsited as an older child. about age 9. As I found the family on the 1861 census with Henry age 10.

Well at least it eliminates that one