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  • Edward Woodroofe married Mary Neal 1831 Chesterfield Derbyshire

    Hello,

    Can anyone have a look for me after 1831 for this couple please on cenus or other docs. I can't find them at all and I am hoping that they are the parents of my great grandfather William Woodruff born Glossop abt 1833 +/-5 years. The marriage I got from LDS site and Mary's parents of John Neal and Martha Frogatt plus 2 sisters. Hoping they are correct!

    On William's marriage certificate in Limerick Ireland in 1860 whilst he was serving in the army, he gives Edward as his father and his occupation as Stove Grate Setter, which is what William was before he joined the army.

    I can't find William in 1841/1851 census. He enlisted in Liverpool in 1857 with the HEIC and then transferred to British Army about 1859 in Bombay when HEIC was disbanced I believe. That is according to his Attestation Papers from British Library which say he was a Native of Glossope Derbyshire..


    I have William and his family up to their deaths, it is just the birth/parents details I am missing. Been searching for over 10 years for this now and Kew doesn't seem to have his documention either.:(

    Any help would be most appreciated!

    Kind regards,
    Calmar
    Last edited by Calmar; 09-11-10, 14:44.

  • #2
    Hello and welcome to FTF

    I have been looking, but not finding very much tbh. I have found a bapt for a Richard Woodruffe to parents Edward and Mary, this bapt was in Bolsover dist (which is a part of chesterfield)

    Richard Woodruffe bapt 10 nov 1833. BOLSOVER, DERBY, ENGLAND

    Parents: Edward Woodruffe and Mary

    this was found on the LDS Pilot site, I will have a look for abit more.
    Julie
    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

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    • #3
      1861: Richard Woodruff is a glass dealer and also has a BIL and their family living with them

      Class: RG9; Piece: 1435; Folio: 78; Page: 45; GSU roll: 542812.



      Richard Woodruff 25 glass dealer b. Bolsover derbyshire
      Jane Woodruff 25
      Emily Woodruff 6 b.birmingham
      Thomas Woodruff 8 "" ditto
      Edward Woodruff 12 MO b.shropshire
      Samuel Woodruff 4 b.Plymouth
      Bessy Roel 11 servant
      Jarvis Proctor 28 glass dealer, b. derbyshire
      Elizabeth Proctor 26 b.bristol
      Tommy Proctor 2 b. derbyshire
      Elizabeth Proctor 23 born--looks like Choc Berry ??
      Last edited by Darksecretz; 09-11-10, 16:16.
      Julie
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      • #4
        There is also a Tree for Richard on Ancestry

        Julie
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        • #5
          1841: Edward Woodruff (hawker) and there is a Jane NEAL living with them

          Class: HO107; Piece 1209; Book: 3; Civil Parish: St Andrew; County: Worcestershire; Enumeration District: 15; Folio: 46; Page: 28; Line: 2; GSU roll: 464215.

          http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...6106284&recoff=

          Edward Woodruff age 25 Hawker not born in county
          Richard "" "" age 7 Not born in county
          Mary "" "" age 3 Not born in county

          Jane NEAL age 65 not born in county
          Last edited by Darksecretz; 09-11-10, 16:21.
          Julie
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          • #6
            Hi Julie,

            The children I found for John Neal and Martha were Mary, Ann christended 1810 Bolsover and Sarah christened 1804. No Jane showing for those parents on Pilot site.

            Unfortunately I do not have subs at the moment for Ancestry so cannot see 1861 census. William was in the army by then and only shows on 1871 in Cheriton Kent in Barracks with his family.

            Kind regards,
            Calmar

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            • #7
              ahhh I see Calmar, I saw your ancestry tree and presumed (wrongly!! ) that you had a sub.. sorry about that. I will give a transcript in a moment for you.
              Julie
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              .......I find dead people

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              • #8
                have updated the posts with transcripts for you
                Julie
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                .......I find dead people

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                • #9
                  Many thanks for that info Julie. I wonder where his wife is? Perhaps she has died. I had thought originally that may be Edward had died and mother re-married. But the occupation doesn't match what William put on marriage cert does it? I suppose he could have changed it after William left home.

                  Is there any sign of William with Edward in 1841/51 please?

                  Can't quite think at the moment who Jane Neal would belong to aged 65!

                  Calmar

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                  • #10
                    Calmar,

                    nope I cannot find anything at the moment regarding Edward, I, like you found his marriage to Mary Neal but not alot else.. I have to go cook now but I'll have another look afterwards
                    Julie
                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                    .......I find dead people

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                    • #11
                      Many thanks Julie,

                      This family most frustrating to find early details!!!

                      Enjoy your meal. My oven door has just dropped off with vibration from the washing machine, so having to re think my evening meal!!

                      Regards,
                      Calmar

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                      • #12
                        ooh I hope that you managed to sort your cooker!

                        I have been thinking, on Williams'/ John Williams marriage cert does it state that Edward is dead?

                        Re Edwards marriage to Mary have you had a look at the PRs? do they give any clue as to where they came from? am thinking maybe Banns or Settlement orders might help.
                        Julie
                        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                        .......I find dead people

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                        • #13
                          I managed to screw it back together but I am afraid I need a new one!!

                          This is all it shows on Pilot search Julie. No clues as to who his parents are or where he came from. Mary came from the Bolsover area tho. Perhaps he was trading his wares when they met.

                          Edward Woodroofe England Marriages, 1538–1973

                          spouse:Mary Nealmarriage:19 Dec 1831 — Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England record title:England Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name:Edward Woodroofebride's name:Mary Nealmarriage date:19 Dec 1831marriage place:Chesterfield, Derbyshire, Englandindexing project (batch) number:M01373-5system origin:England-EASysource film number:1752144
                          I too have had a thought on Wm's movements before army enlistment and comment re him being a 'Native of Glossop' on Attestation Papers. If his father was peddling his wares perhaps he was born there but they seemed to move about a bit according to the infomation on 1861 census. Children born in different places. May be that is why he enlisted in Liverpool in 1857, I think there was a child born in Shropshire and then one in Plymouth in 1857, so may be he decided not to go with them to Plymouth but enlisted instead!!!

                          This seems the most likely scenario I have come across to date!!;D Or is it straw clutching again!

                          Calmar

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                          • #14
                            hmm no I dont think it is clutching at straws, IF he was a hawker/peddler Edward that is, then it does seem likely, just because they married in Chesterfield area dont necessarily mean they came from there does it? He could've been travelling the country selling, it is slightly worrying though that the wife isnt there, maybe she did die.. I can't seem to find a likely Edward either in the 1851 census, though I have had another thought:

                            if you buy Richards marriage cert that may tell you IF Edward is dead and give an occupation for him and also the witness' might help?

                            Marriages Sep Q 1852

                            Jane Worth PROCTOR
                            Richard WOODROOF
                            Dudley 6c 66
                            Julie
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                            • #15
                              Julie,

                              I got off track with my reply re marriage cert for William.

                              No, it doesn't say he was deceased. Just gives his name and occupation on the civil marriage record in Limerick and no parents shown on the army registers entry. That marriage is recorded on LDS site now but wasn't showing when I found it. Got it from their Irish records. July 1860.

                              John William Woodruff Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

                              residence:Limerickmarriage:1860 — Limerick record title:Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958name:John William Woodruffregistration district:Limerickevent type:MARRIAGESregistration quarter and year:1860volume number:6page number:645digital folder number:4195894
                              Last edited by Calmar; 09-11-10, 23:11.

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                              • #16
                                Margaret,

                                there is another tree on ancestry that has John William marrying a Mary Browne, but has his parents as Edward Woodruff and a Mary Winters...

                                Julie
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                                .......I find dead people

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                                • #17
                                  Hi
                                  Full details from FreeREG of the 1831 marriage at Chesterfield.
                                  Edward Woodruffe of "this parish" & Mary Neale of "this parish. Witnesses Anne Procter & William Edwards. By Banns. Baptisms at Chesterfield only covered in FreeREG up to 1800.
                                  Moggie

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                                  • #18
                                    Yes Julie, this is the only one we could find with a son of John William to an Edward. it is my cousin's tree. But i have never been happy with it because that John William is still around and married to someone else in 1861 when my gtgrandfather was in the Army then..

                                    Regards,
                                    Calmar

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                                    • #19
                                      Hi Moggie,

                                      Is that the Freebmd site or another one? I will go and have a look at both sites. Thank you very much for info of the witnesses, that might help with the Procter surname.

                                      Regards,
                                      Calmar

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Calmar View Post
                                        Hi Moggie,

                                        Is that the Freebmd site or another one? I will go and have a look at both sites. Thank you very much for info of the witnesses, that might help with the Procter surname.Calmar

                                        Hi Calmar
                                        Yes it is the FreeBMD site.
                                        If you do a soundex search for Woodruff marriages at Chesterfield you should get 18 results. Some are the names of brides & some witnesses. Disregard 3, 16 & 17. Just a pity that the baptisms there only go up to about 1800.
                                        Moggie

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