Researching- LEAHY from Kerry, Ireland & SIMENON & CARTIN from Liverpool

[Wallaby]

Hi Everyone,

I'm helping a friend to break some ground on his Irish & Liverpool roots & wondered if anyone is researching the following names.

Father's name:- Harold LEAHY from - Kerry, Ireland. DOB: 9th June 1909.

Mother's name:- Catherine née CARTIN. DOB: 5th Feb 1915.

Catherine's mother's name was unusual - SIMENON, from Everton area of Liverpool.


Wallaby

[Janet]

Have you tried the Irish 1911 Census for those born Kerry 1909? The 1901 Census will also find all those born Kerry pre 1901? Leahy is quite a common name and many in Tipperary but you have plenty of leads for Kerry to help you find them. They are free at:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

Janet

[Wallaby]

Yes, I'm on the 1901 now, thanks Janet

W

[Wallaby]

Not one Harold Leahy/O'Leahy/Leahey 'anywhere in Ireland' on the 1911 Irish Census. Not one Harold Leahy of any age !

W

[margaretmarch]

Have you tried the England 1911? I can see 2 Harold Leahy one age 1 year and the other 1 month neither born in Ireland so can you say for sure he was born there?
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Does 196 Walton Rd West Derby ring any bells?
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Looking at the marriage index for Cartin to Leahy in 1937 I see Harold has a middle initial of J and there is a birth listing for Harold Joseph Leahy in West Derby 1909. Could this be him?
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Can't see a Catherine Cartin birth in 1915 but found Kathleen Cartin Mar quarter mmn Simeon could this be her.
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

There's an Ellen Cartin mmn Simeon b1912 and an Ada b1917 as well, all West Derby.
Looks like Ada died 1918.
Margaret

[Wallaby]

Thanks Margaret,

Most of what you've found could be a good lead. I'll see if this rings any bells. I've been thru the 1901/1911 for every Leahy variation for every first name & found no Harold's, Harry's or Henry's so I looked at all other first names & downloaded some around the right age from all over Ireland.

But maybe he was born here & then the family went to or went back to Ireland after his birth.

I'll thro these possibilities at them & see

Thanks Margaret

W

[Wallaby]

Does 196 Walton Rd West Derby ring any bells?
Margaret

Margaret, Is this Harold Leahy on the 1911 census aged 2, living at the address of 196, Walton Road ?

W

[margaretmarch]

Yes, it is. I also found Ellen Cartin with her brother John Simeon in her household.
Margaret

[Wallaby]

Yes, it is. I also found Ellen Cartin with her brother John Simeon in her household.
Margaret

"Ellen Cartin... with her brother John Simeon" - is the name spelt SIMEON not SIMENON ?

[Wallaby]

Yes, we have the right Harold! He had sisters - Agnes & Mary & maybe others too.

**Ellen Cartin had sisters... Sarah - Sissy (maybe Celia or ?) & brother John, so yes that's the family on the 1911. They lived in Walton Road area, so this must be them.

**Ellen Cartin also had a brother/cousin/uncle ? Name forgotten who was an admiral & lived in Romsey, Hampshire. (Trying to find more from family re; admiral)

Thanks Margaret this is a great start for me.

W

EDIT: Sorry, gone wrong here. This should say Catherine Cartin (not Ellen)had sisters Sarah & Sissy & a brother/uncle/cousin was an Admiral & lived in Romsey, Hampshire.

[Wallaby]

Looking at the marriage index for Cartin to Leahy in 1937 I see Harold has a middle initial of J and there is a birth listing for Harold Joseph Leahy in West Derby 1909. Could this be him?
Margaret

Margaret, do you have the GRO details for the birth listing for this 1909 birth of Harold J Leahy ?

W

[Janet]

One possibility is that he was born here and baptised back in Ireland. That was a very common practice, so many people thought they were born in Ireland. Baptism back home in Ireland was almost a "Must" as relatives expected this, and Irish Baptisms are well known for being far more important than the birth date!

Janet

[margaretmarch]

Margaret, do you have the GRO details for the birth listing for this 1909 birth of Harold J Leahy ?

W

Yes it's Harold Joseph Leahy
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 385
This is definitely the same family the John Simeon on the 1911 is listed as an 'ex-naval stoker british navy'. The surname is definitely Simeon which could be understood as 'Simenon' to anyone who had not seen it spelt.
Margaret

[Wallaby]

Ok Thanks Margaret & Janet! I'll set my friend up with a GRO account & get him to order Harold's BC & then we're off! On his Mum's side she had an Admiral in her family. Not much is known about him, so he's trying to find if he was her uncle/cousin & his name. he knows he lived in Romsey, Hampshire & that's it.

W

[Olde Crone Holden]

Margaret, post #12 - I am confused! I found this marriage on Lancsbmd

1917 West Derby RO Sarah Cartin to John Simeon...she can't have married her brother......

OC

[Wallaby]

Margaret, post #12 - I am confused! I found this marriage on Lancsbmd

1917 West Derby RO Sarah Cartin to John Simeon...she can't have married her brother......

OC

Does the 1917 marriage of Johen Simeon to Sarah Cartin sounds like an earlier generation of the same 2 families perhaps ?

I wonder if that John Simeon was an earlier layer of Simeon's & married into the Cartin family ?

W

PS. John's sister Ada was born in 1917, so I assume John was born in that era ?