Missing family on the 1901..help needed please.

[skylark]

Hello there. I have the following family on the 1911 & really need help to locate them on the 1901 please:

1911 34 Sandy Lane B'ham
Francis Bryan Brough, 42, Brass Finisher, b Wolverhampton
Laura Brough, wife, 42, Married 21 years (No marriage found) b Kidderminster
Arthur Brough, 20, b B'ham
Lawrence Victor Brough, 13, b B'ham

NOTE: I am assuming that the VICTOR LAWRENCE BROUGH who died 03/09/1916 Army no: 1703, Royal Warwwickshire Regiment 2nd Battalion is the youngest son found on the 1911.
Note: There is a marriage on the IGI Pilot 11/08/1913 between Arthur Brough (22) & Laura Davis (21) @ St Georges B'ham that looks like a match for the eldest son.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Margaret.

[margaretmarch]

Have tried searching on lots of combinations of names/surnames but no luck so far!
Margaret

[Elaine ..Spain]

Ditto - nothing jumping out at the moment!

[Guest]

there is a Frank Brough born abt 1872 Wolverhampton a Brass Founder Grandson living at 19 Wattville Street Handsworth Staffs
wonder if thats him ?

RG13 2708 96 50

[Darksecretz]

well his name appears to be

Birth: Francis BRYANT Brough, march q 1872, wolverhampton/staffs/shropshire/west mids.

he looks to have died in mar q 1958, walsall, staffs, england

[Darksecretz]

looks like Laura F. Brough died in 1913 sept q, aston, warks

[Darksecretz]

there is a Frank Brough born abt 1872 Wolverhampton a Brass Founder Grandson living at 19 Wattville Street Handsworth Staffs
wonder if thats him ?

RG13 2708 96 50

do you have a link to that Val? is he mistrans?

[Darksecretz]

and he seems to have remarried (Francis B that is) in 1938, sept q, walsall, staffs

[Guest]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...5067022&recoff=
yes he is mistranscribed
as Franl Brough

[Darksecretz]

this begs the question then where is the wife? with at least one child? and well done at finding him, you sure got one over on me :D

[Guest]

Its just that I have some Francis's who called themselves Frank !!!and as she couldnt find the marriage and I cant either ?? maybe they didn't ?

[skylark]

Thank you for trying to find this family for me...they are so annoying to hide themselves away !!! The Frank Brough on the 1901 is actually in my tree with other family members ( I was hoping that if Francis Bryan Brough was found on the 1901 it would make the picture clearer & I could dismiss him as being my "Frank Brough". To make things even muddier...on the 1891 Frank was known as FRANCIS CLARKE !!! My thanks to you all for your time & trouble.

Regards,
Margaret.

[stevebrough]

and he seems to have remarried (Francis B that is) in 1938, sept q, walsall, staffs

nope he didn't, that is the marriage of my grandparents lol but the Francis you are looking at was his Step Grandfather
his wife was Laura( my gt gt grandmother) nee force nee webb nee Jeffery died 1913 aged just 43 years

[Darksecretz]

nope he didn't, that is the marriage of my grandparents lol but the Francis you are looking at was his Step Grandfather
his wife was Laura( my gt gt grandmother) nee force nee webb nee Jeffery died 1913 aged just 43 years

blimey.. this sure is a confusing thread...lol..

but I'm glad to see that we have kind of all got the same information.. albeit a little muddled!

[Elaine]

Think I have them, no Frank

1901
74, Back Weaman Street, Birmingham
RG13; Piece: 2845; Folio: 126; Page: 39
FORCE, Florence Head Married F 31 1870
Kidderminster, Worcestershire
FORCE, Francis B Son Single M 11 1890
Kidderminster, Worcestershire
FORCE, Arthur H Son Single M 10 1891
Kidderminster, Worcestershire
FORCE, Laurence V Son Single M 3 1898
Kidderminster, Worcestershire
BARNETT, Minnie Visitor Single F 24 1877 Chenille Rug Worker
Droitwich, Worcestershire

[Elaine]

Can you give me the ref for 1891?

[stevebrough]

1891 they are living with her parents, again no husband who was William Francis Webb,(he seems to have disappeared and cannot be found on any census or documents until Victor Lawrence is born in 1897 and he registers the birth) the address is 32 Mount Pleasant, Kidderminster. following family members

Piece: 2313 / Folio: 69 / Page Number: 6
Household
Henry Jeffrey 45
Emma Jeffrey 45
Mary Jane Jeffrey 19
Ada Jeffrey 17
Rosa Jeffrey 15
James Henry Jeffrey 14
Albert Jeffrey 9
Florence Elizabetha Jeffrey 7
Polly Jeffrey 3
Laura Jeffrey 22
Francis Bertie Webb 2
Arthur Henry Webb 7/12

[Elaine]

What's William's occ on the birth cert ?

Did you have the above 1901 and can you post Clarke for 1891

Sorry it's one long question
Just trying to work it all out

[Elaine]

Found some baptisms family search

Name: Francis Bertie Webb
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Sep 1889
Christening Place: St. John the Baptist, Kidderminster, Worcester, England
Father's Name: Francis William Webb
Mother's Name: Laura
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03183-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1040999
Reference ID: item 2

Name: Laurence Victor Webb
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Nov 1897
Christening Place: St. John the Baptist, Kidderminster, Worcester, England
Father's Name: Francis William Webb
Mother's Name: Laura
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03183-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1040999

Name: Arthur Henry Webb
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Nov 1890
Christening Place: St. Mary's, Kidderminster, Worcester, England
Father's Name: Francis William Webb
Mother's Name: Laura
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01603-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 435277
Reference ID: v 37

and marriages

Name: Francis William Webb
Birth Date: 1865
Birthplace:
Age: 22
Spouse's Name: Laura Jeffrey
Spouse's Birth Date: 1868
Spouse's Age: 19
Event Date: 18 Jun 1887
Event Place: St Mary'S, Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
Father's Name: William Webb
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Jeffrey
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01603-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 435277
Reference ID: p104

Name: Arthur Brough
Birth Date: 1891
Age: 22
Spouse's Name: Laura Davies
Spouse's Birth Date: 1892
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 11 Aug 1913
Event Place: St. George, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: Francis Byran Brough
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Davies
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00738-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1520133
Reference ID: it2, p49, no98

[Elaine]

Found your old thread on here about Clarke/Brough

http://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/89024-Brough-Clarke-mystery

Did you know there are some Wolverhampton PDF's online?

BROUGH Elizabeth 23 s 20 May 1872 Salop Street John Brough Shoemaker CLARKE Bryan Banns St.Mark

http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes