Help finding a Birth reg Please

[Guest]

Alfred Treason Cross according to his marriage in 1879 born abt 1846
according to Census records after Marriage born in Chester St Oswalds ?
Cannot find a likely Birth

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=lmamarriages&h=6102801&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p1055805188_kpidz0q3d1055805188z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

[treesa]

Sorry, can't access ancestry, but have you considered that he was born under his mother's maiden name? Don't know if that would fit in with his parents marriage date or not.

[Guest]

thanks for trying Treesa I did wonder that ??? but cannot find his parents marriage either ?

[Elaine ..Spain]

Have you found him at all pre-marriage?

[Guest]

Thanks Elaine no no yet ??? he says his father is dead at his marriage ?

[treesa]

Maybe he had two christian names but only used one? Unless the Treason is his true middle name...or the Treason was added later, by Alfred himself? Maybe he said his father was deceased but didn't know, or maybe he was made up? And you haven't found him on 51,61,and 71 census at all? If his father was deceased, did his mother remarry? (if you know her name that is).

[Guest]

It does seem a strange name and one of his children says his fathers name is Alfred Trevor Cross on his Marriage????
Thanks

[treesa]

What is the ref no for the 1881 census and do you have him on later census too?

[treesa]

mmmm yes strange. and strange that you can't find hs parents marriage - do you have any likely candidates?

[treesa]

It could be that his birth wasn't registered, I have one like that. I got a siblings birth cert instead. But you would need to have the parents for that on census, with Alfred, so not much use to you at the moment.

[Chrissie Smiff]

If anyone is trying to find him in 1881 he has been wrongly transcribed as Alfred J Cross. He and Elizabeth are living in Southwark and have an 8 month old son named Frederick (think his second initial is L). Alfred is a law writer aged 37 and Elizabeth E is 34. Ref - Class: RG11; Piece: 519; Folio: 76; Page: 18; GSU roll: 1341116.

[Chrissie Smiff]

Did he die in Croydon Val in 1911?

[Guest]

Hi and thanks I do have the 1881 census , I dont dont yet when he died Chrissie ? but that could be him thanks I am trying to find him in 1901 ? at the moment
he isnt with his wife in 1901 or 1911 yet she says Married ????
Anybody find him ?? thanks
in 1891 he is a Railway Clerk

[Guest]

aha wonder if this is him in the criminal records ? in 1892 ?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1590&iid=31251_A006222-00120&fn=Alfred+Iresor&ln=Cross&st=r&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p1055805188_kpidz0q3d1055805188z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid&pid=234609

[Night Owl]

There's a newspaper report about that one Val - it could well be your man. According to the paper (The Standard, London, Tuesday, January 12, 1892) his full name was Alfred Tresor Cross aged 49 and a clerk in the office of The Grand Trunk Railway of Canada at London Bridge. He said he had been hounded by a money lender from whom he had borrowed some money and that had "caused me to lose my berth". Since then he had been out of work for 6 months and that was why he committed the crime.

[Guest]

your amazing Jackie thats him he did use the middle name Trevor sometimes I think its just mispelt ?
have you got that ???

[Guest]

and I wonder where he is in 1901 ???

[Night Owl]

Do you want me to send it to you?

[Guest]

yes please do you still have my email ??

[Night Owl]

Yes - I'll do it now but it seems to be quite a big file so bear with me