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    Have been looking for my ggggrandfather for a while now and just can't find them 1871.
    Here they are 1881

    1881 Census RG11/ 824 Folio 104 Pg 33
    Living at 4 Challin Street, Penge, Surrey
    George Elsden Head Age 36 Occupation Labourman Born Halstead, Essex
    Lucy Elsden Wife Age 39 Born Leyton, Essex
    George Elsden Son Age 10 Born Penge, Surrey
    Elizabeth Elsden Daughter Age 7 Born Penge, Surrey

    George and Lucy's birth palce are right as I have their birth certs and also the children except Clara. I have tried many variations on the surname and lots of combinations and just cannot find them. Lucy is also a puzzle as her mother dies so I have no record of her on a census till 1881, her baptism record reads

    England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
    about Lucy Tann
    Name: Lucy Tann
    Gender: Female
    Birth Date: 7 Apr 1844
    Christening Date: 26 May 1844
    Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
    Age at Christening: 0
    Father's Name: John Tann
    Mother's Name: Clara

    They married 1868 as Elsden in West Ham and are in Penge 24 Sep 1870 (son's birth cert). Any help or ideas would be great
    Elaine

    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

  • #2
    I tried searching 1871 for George b1845 Halstead with wife Lucy living in Penge but nothing comes up.
    Margaret

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    • #3
      what was Lucys father occupation ???

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      • #4
        She puts her father down as John Tann accountant, but her mother never married and died 2 years after Lucy was born.
        Elaine

        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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        • #5
          Thanks for looking Margaret
          Elaine

          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

          http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
          http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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          • #6
            sorry tried all I can think of for the Elsdens

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            • #7
              Thanks for trying, looks like I will have to take another break from them!
              Elaine

              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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              • #8
                Hi Elaine
                I searched for them with all combinations of surname spellings and none(!) but can't find them at all in 1871.They're there in 1901 so I don't know where they were hiding in 1871 !!

                Sorry I couldn't help

                Liz

                Also found them in 1891 where there is another daughter Clara aged 23.Wonder where she was in 1881??

                Found her-she was a 14 year old servant in 1881 born Stratford presumably Essex
                Last edited by congletonian; 11-09-10, 22:58.
                my avatar is Emily Varndell Andrews,my paternal grandmother born 1891

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                • #9
                  1881 Clara is a servant in Penge, thanks for looking Liz
                  Elaine

                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                  • #10
                    What is their address in 1870 of George's birth certificate? We could try an address search.
                    Elizabeth
                    Research Interests:
                    England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                    Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                    • #11
                      I did look at their address in 1881 on the 1871 census but only 6 matches for Challin Street come up and they arent numbered ? just schedule numbers did look through them and they arent there either.

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                      • #12
                        A brickwall hopefully to come down one day!
                        Thanks everyone
                        Elaine

                        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                        • #13
                          Elaine,

                          did you say where they were living at the time of georges birth?
                          Julie
                          They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                          .......I find dead people

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                          • #14
                            They were at 4 Challin Street, Penge 1881
                            122 Woodbine Grove, Penge 1891
                            94a Woodbine Grove, Penge 1901
                            191 Church Road, Penge is on George (1929) and Lucy's (1934) death cert

                            George, their son, was born 1870 in Clifford Grove, Penge

                            Haven't had any luck 1911
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                            • #15
                              I have checked all 6 districts for penge in 1871 and didnt spot them, Challin st is on district 49 toward the end of the piece.
                              Julie
                              They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                              .......I find dead people

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                              • #16
                                1871:
                                Julie
                                They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                .......I find dead people

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                                • #17
                                  Julie I dont have access to Ancestry can you give info from the link you've posted especially if it gives info to the famliy were looking for in the 1871, thanks
                                  WendyP

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                                    They were at 4 Challin Street, Penge 1881
                                    122 Woodbine Grove, Penge 1891
                                    94a Woodbine Grove, Penge 1901
                                    191 Church Road, Penge is on George (1929) and Lucy's (1934) death cert

                                    George, their son, was born 1870 in Clifford Grove, Penge

                                    Haven't had any luck 1911
                                    Hi - there is a George amongst these surnames under Croydon for 1911 -
                                    Elden, Ellisden, Elsden and Elsdon...not sure if any would be yours (Woodbine Grove showed as Croydon and not Penge for 1911)

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                                    • #19
                                      I will have another look 1911 tonight, have been going round in circles 1851-1871 so haven't spent ages looking 1911.
                                      Thanks for that
                                      Last edited by Elaine; 14-09-10, 07:25.
                                      Elaine

                                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                      • #20
                                        Got to go to work Julie, check in on that later
                                        Elaine

                                        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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