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  • struggling with Otoole family from Bootle ,Liverpool

    Hiya.....trying to help a scouse mate
    James and Mary O`toole came to Liverpool from Dublin and lived in Bootle, Liverpool 5 daughters....all believed to have passed on..Veronica was the youngest...
    Mary
    Margaret
    Ann-Annie
    Catherine-Kathleen
    Veronica his grandmother b 17th Feb 1913 ......can`t find this on freebmd....
    Mary the mother supposedly died abt 1918 giving birth to a boy who also died...
    3 girls were sent to Nazareth House Convent ...Veronica was sent to live with her Aunt Sarah, Marys sister..don`t know what happened to the other sister.
    James is supposed to have re-married 6 weeks later, but he says he doesn`t know how true that was...
    Struggling to find the birth of Veronica O Toole 1913......I`ve looked 1911-1915....nothing...
    If anyone has any time today I would appreciate any advice or help....allan;)
    Last edited by garstonite; 15-05-10, 08:51.
    Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
    oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
    adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
    merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
    coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

  • #2
    Good morning Allan,

    This looks like the one -

    Veronica O'Toole
    1913
    Apr-May-Jun
    Mother's Maiden Name: Redmond
    District: West Derby
    County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8b
    Page: 620

    Jane

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    • #3
      Thanks Jane.....I`ll have a look on lancsbmd now I know it`s the right year.....I thought he may have the wrong info , as I couldn`t find it on freebmd...where did you find that ?......allan
      Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
      oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
      adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
      merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
      coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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      • #4
        It was on Ancestry.

        Jane

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        • #5
          Thanks Jane.....nothing on Lancsbmd......could you possibly confirm whether the sistersw are Ann -Annie and Catherine- Kathleen please.....so i can try and find the family before Veronicas birth...He tells me that Veronica is the youngest....but in case he is wrong and any are born after Veronica, there`s a possibility they are alive....if any dates are after 1913 would you please PM me any details.....thanks very much....allan
          Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
          oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
          adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
          merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
          coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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          • #6
            Hi - few poss's for Mary - Deaths Mar 1918 O'Toole Mary E 45 W.Derby 8b 433
            Deaths Jun 1916 O'Toole Mary A 42 W.Derby 8b 481

            These both show on FreeBMD with a Redmond mother..
            Births Sep 1911
            O'TOOLE ***** W.Derby 8b 679 (male)
            Births Jun 1913
            O'Toole W.Derby 8b 620 (as per Jane's info)

            Do you know Mary's maiden name or if she had an initial?
            Last edited by naomiatt; 15-05-10, 08:43.

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            • #7
              the birth sep 1911 was Denis died same quarter 8b 580
              Jayne




              My avatar is great great granny Annie Pugh, possibly christened 24 Feb 1858.

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              • #8
                This is very strange...NO RESULTS shows up for me with OToole Redmond.....why ??.....allan
                Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                • #9
                  Sorry, I'm finding too many of all the other names to know which belong to James & Mary (all before mmn is shown of course). I can give you a list if you think it will help at all.

                  The only birth I've found with the same mmn is Denis born 1911!!!

                  Jane

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                  • #10
                    Marriage on freebmd
                    James O'Toole to Margaret J Sutcliffe mar 1919 West Derby 8b 711
                    Jayne




                    My avatar is great great granny Annie Pugh, possibly christened 24 Feb 1858.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by garstonite View Post
                      This is very strange...NO RESULTS shows up for me with OToole Redmond.....why ??.....allan
                      Are you typing O'Toole with the apostrophe...
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                      • #12
                        Hi ...no ...didn`t have the mothers maiden name ( Mary ) He believes Mary died in childbirth 5 years after his grandmother Veronica was born...so 1918....it`s all family say so..so Jayne- does that Denis b 1911 have Redmond as MMN ?.....
                        as you can imagine Veronica was the baby of 5 when Mary died and they were all split up;;;3 in a Convent(doesn`t know which 3 ) - Veronica to Sarah who was Marys sister and he doesn`t know where the other sister ( or which one it was ) went....this is why I am trying to help him....allan
                        Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                        oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                        adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                        merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                        coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by naomiatt View Post
                          Are you typing O'Toole with the apostrophe...
                          http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
                          No ....should I ??.....allan
                          Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                          oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                          adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                          merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                          coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by garstonite View Post
                            No ....should I ??.....allan
                            Yes...Denis and Veronica come up then..both showing Redmond as the mother..

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Breckland Jane View Post
                              Sorry, I'm finding too many of all the other names to know which belong to James & Mary (all before mmn is shown of course). I can give you a list if you think it will help at all.

                              The only birth I've found with the same mmn is Denis born 1911!!!

                              Jane
                              No Jayne...that`s fine...I just wanted to know that he didn`t have the wrong info....making sure that there`s no possibility of any being alive.......allan
                              Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                              oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                              adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                              merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                              coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                              • #16
                                Marriage on freebmd
                                James O'Toole sep 1893 Liverpool 8b 293 to

                                Mary Ellen Redmond

                                so the death mar 1918 West Derby age 45 Mary E O'Toole looks to me the most likely one
                                Jayne




                                My avatar is great great granny Annie Pugh, possibly christened 24 Feb 1858.

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                                • #17
                                  You are all so fabulous...and I`m a silly custard for not putting the apostrophe in......thank you all....I will pass on this info now and try and get some feedback....superb result for him....thank you all....allan
                                  Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                                  oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                                  adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                                  merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                                  coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by naomiatt View Post
                                    Yes...Denis and Veronica come up then..both showing Redmond as the mother..
                                    for the record , when I put in the apostrophe it comes up....INVALID SURNAME....So I`m still puzzled....
                                    I was trying to see if James and Margaret had any children.....obviously they could be alive , but I was trying to find any to let my mate know.....allan
                                    Last edited by garstonite; 15-05-10, 09:45.
                                    Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                                    oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                                    adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                                    merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                                    coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                                    • #19
                                      That's odd Allan - works OK for me - just tried FreeBMD although I had been using Ancestry.

                                      Just to let you know, Ive being trying to find them on a census but no luck so far.

                                      Jane

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                                      • #20
                                        re census - i can't find them either
                                        Jayne




                                        My avatar is great great granny Annie Pugh, possibly christened 24 Feb 1858.

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