Who was Allise?

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

In my ggg grandmother's letter to her husband & children, she makes repeated references to "Alisse", who she referred to as my gg grandfather George's cousin. Can anyone help me to identify who Alisse was please.
Agnes Smith (nee Weatherstone) had a brother Benjamin, that we know of, she mentions him in her letter but he was unable to visit her in Kelso, so she is clearly staying with another relative. According to the IGI, Benjamin had siblings James & Jessie & the 1841 shows a sister Mary, who I believe is mentioned in the letter as May, but deceased. There is also a possible brother Nichol/Nickel who was witness at Benjamin's marriage.
The letter is written on paper headed Kelso, Scotland, so that would appear to be where she was staying & I have been able to date it as being between 1867, when her youngest son Benjamin (also mentioned in the letter) was born & 1877 when Agnes herself died.

Can anyone help to identify Alisse please?

[Jessbowbag]

George's surname name was?

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

Sorry, George was a Smith but his father's family was from Louth in Lincolnshire, it was Agnes' Weatherstone family who came from the Scottish borders.
Just to add Mary was c1818 James c1819, Jessie c1821 Benjamin c1824 & Agnes c1826

[ayse]

Perhaps you give a census reference for the family in 1841? It could make it easier to find out more info.
Thanks

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

I don't actually have the census reference & don't have an ancestry sub at the moment. In 1841 Agnes age 15 was living in Hume Scotland with Thomas age 45, Mary age 20 both ag labs & Benjamin aged 17 a gardener. The IGI has Benjamin as being the son of Agnes Johnston & Thomas Weatherstone (Stitchil) & there are also baptisms for a James & Jessie (Roxburgh). In 1851 Mary is a visitor in Hume of the Briggs family who were the family's neighbours in 1841 Her place of birth is given as Eccles, which is where Thomas & Agnes were married in 1813

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

I've found possibles for James & Jessie in 1841, would sks have a look for me please? James Weatherston c1821 & Jessie Weatherton c1819 both in Roxburghshire

[Elaine ..Spain]

1841 census Scotland

Jessie Weatherton born c 1819 Roxburghshire - occ. F.S.
living in parish of Stichell, address Baillicknow

Full list of household:
William Dove 35
Jessie Dove 26
Jessie Dove 4
William Dove 6 Mo
Robert Scott 69
Mrs. Henderson 58
John Henderson 24
Margaret Burle 24
Estella Hay 24
Jessie Weatherton 22
Jessie Bell 18
Mary Thomson 28


James Weatherston born c 1821 Roxburghshire, Scotland - occ. Joiner J
living in parish of Kelso, address Woodmarket

Full list of household
Nichol Weatherston 25
Elspeth Weatherston 25
Ang Weatherston 5
Agnes Weatherston 3
Isabella Weatherston 2
Thomas Weatherston 9 Mo
James Weatherston 20
Betty Tait 20

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

That is lovely Elaine, many thanks. I had looked previously for marriages for Jessie prior to 1841, so there may be one after. the fact that James was living with a Nichol Weatherstone suggests they are related & perhaps brothers As Nichol is living in Kelso, perhaps it Allise belongs to his family

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

Looking through my records, I do have the Nichol & Elspeth family in 1851, could someone give me the details for 1861 please, I can see them on Ancestry but can't access the details. In 1851, they additionally have a daughter Elspeth who may well have been Alisse.
I have also found a Mary Weatherton in Roxburghshire in 1871, if it would be at all possible to have those details.
I really appreciate the help

[Elaine ..Spain]

Elspeth and Nichol .. and lots of little Weatherstons in the 1861 Scotland census

Elspeth Weatherston born c1814 born Eccles Berwickshire
Nichol Weatherston born c 1815 Eccles Berwickshire - occ Ag Lab

living in parish of Lindon, address Old Graden.

Full household:
Nichol Weatherston 46
Elspeth Weatherston 47
Agnes Weatherston 23
Thomas Weatherston 20
John Weatherston 12
William Weatherston 10
Mary Weatherston 8
Elizabeth Weatherston 6
James Weatherston 4
Nichol Wintrop 2

[Elaine ..Spain]

Is this the one you want for Mary (1871) ... and again lots of little Weatherstons! They certainly knew how to enjoy themselves north of the border. ;)

Mary Weatherston born c 1833 Kelso, Roxburghshire
Spouse - John - occ butcher - born c 1830 Selkirk

living in the parish of Kelso, address 31 Sheddon Park Road
Civil parish: Kelso

Full household listing:
John Weatherston 41
Mary Weatherston 38
Janet Weatherston 18
William Weatherston 15
John Weatherston 13
Mary J Weatherston 12
Robina Weatherston 11
Andrew Weatherston 9
Hugh Weatherston 7
Isabella Weatherston 5
Richard Weatherston 3
Robert Weatherston 1
Jane Weatherston 66

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

Thanks Elaine, I notice that the Elspeth who was with them in1851 is no longer there, although there is an Elizabeth who could feasibly be an Alisse. I can't see the family in 1871, can you?
The Mary I was looking for would have been older & single, so not the right one sadly but they could well be related.

[Elaine ..Spain]

1871 census (England)

Household
Nichols Weatherston 54 - occ. Rd.contactor
Elizabeth Weatherston 54
Elizabeth Weatherston 26
William Weatherston 20
Mary Weatherston 18
James Weatherston 14
Nichol Weatherston 13
Henry Weatherston 3 - born Bamburgh - nephew
Jane Weatherston 1 - born Bamburgh - niece

address Hinds Row, Bamburgh, Northumberland.

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

Argh, I didn't want him to come to Engalnd! He needed to have died in Scotland, so that his death cert would give his parent's names & then I could confirm if he was Agnes' brother!. Thank you very much for that Elaine

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

Think I've found them in 1881, as Nicholas & Elizabeth still in Bamburgh. If they were living in Bamburgh during that period, then it is unlikely that Agnes would have been staying with them, as she was in Kelso.

How nice Ancestry actually let me see the details of this one, they are living with sons William & James & Henry & Jane who are now grand children

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

Sorry to keep asking, but I might have found a lead on Jessie Weatherston. I have found a marriage for her on the igi in 1847 to Richard Wanless in Greenlaw Roxburghshire which is in the right area. I have found them in 1851 on Ancestry, would sks tell me the details please?

[Elaine ..Spain]

1851 census Scotland Richard Wanless b 1825 Westruther, Berwickshire - occ Ag Lab Jessie Wanless - b 1822 Lauder Berwickshire living in the parish of Swinton, address Simprin Full household: Richard Wanless 26 Jessie Wanless 29 Margaret Wanless 2 Jessie Stobs Wanless 8 Mo Ann Allen Not sure if it's the right one - let me know if you want me to look at later censuses for this family.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Sorry Lynn, have got a problem posting - cannot sort the last post out into separate lines so it looks a bit jumbled!

[Lynn The Forest Fan]

It certainly looks like the right family, if you wouldn't mind, I would appreciate later censuses please

[Elaine ..Spain]

1861 census Scotland

Richard Wanless 37 - occ. ploughman
Jessie Wanless 40
Margaret C Wanless 12
Jessie S Wanless 10
Jane Wanless 8
Richard Wanless 6
John W Wanless 5
Alexander S Wanless 2
Robert Wanless 4 Mo

living in the parish of Gordon, address 4 East Gordon

1881 census Scotland

Household:
Richard Wanless 56 - occ. Railway Wagon Desmetfield ??
Jessie Wanless 59
Jessie S Wanless 29
Richard Wanless 26
John W Wanless 24
Robert Wanless 20
Andrew Wanless 16

Can't see them in 1871 at the moment!