I am trying to trace my greatgranmother Mary Ann Pearson b. 1874 Paddington. she married Fred Shelley 1984/5 cannot find date , Fred died 1901 they had 3 daughters my Granmother Dorothea Shelley 1895 Phyliss 1898 and Cissie May 1901.Mary and daughters are on 1901 census but after that I cannot trace her. WE always called her Granny Needle she maty have got married again. She was still alive 1948 as I have a photo of her at my 3rd birthday I was born 1945. There arent any relatives left that I can ask, I think she may have lived with her granson Archibald Herbert Shelley (Dorotheas son ) he died 1994 Southend on sea Essex he was my mums step brother. Any sugestions please Ifound you very helpfull before Joy Locke
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Hi - Are the three daughters showing on the 1911 census? I found a Frederick Shelley marrying a Mary Ann White in 1904, Hendon for example..
and a later Shelley and Pearson marriage for 1932. Are you sure they married? A Mary Cissie May Pearson born 1900 was living in Edmonton in the 1911..
a Dorothea Pearson living in Woolwich aged 15....just wondered if they are recorded under Pearson and not Shelley...Last edited by naomiatt; 05-02-10, 00:35.
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I dont know if they where married thats one of the things I'm trying to find and no I cant find any of them in 1911 census Dorothea amrried my grandad Frederick Bates 1913 .I did not know Dorothea had any sisters Till I found her in 1901 census. Both my grandparents family's seem very hard to trace .
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Hi Bates
Welcome to FTF.
Is Dorothea on the 1901 census in North Wingfield Derbys as Dolly with Mary the mother and Phyllis and Cissy presumably her sisters.
I presume John Pearson is a relative
For ref RG13 Piece 3242 Folio 126 Page 6.
Be back in a mo to see what else I can findLin
Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham
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Just had another look at the 1901 census and John Pearson was born in Newark Notts so now not sure if he is a relative.
Can't find Mary Ann Pearson in 1891. Too many to identify. Can't find a marriage.
Please let us know all they info you that is positive.Lin
Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham
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Found them in 1911, she is with a William, you will need to purchase credits if you want to see the transcription
NEEDLE WILLIAM M 1871 40 Paddington London
SHELLY MISS D F 1893 18 Paddington London
NEEDLE M A F 1866 45 Paddington London
This lady is the right age for a possible death
Name: Mary A Needle
Death Registration Month/Year: 1957
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5f
Page: 192
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I have found Dorotheas Baptism. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?...c=&pid=2868654
it states:
born Apr 15th 1895, Bapt 25th Oct 1895. Dorothea d/of Fred & Mary Shelley. abode: 23 Ordinance Rd, occ: Cellarman. (in the margin it also states Priority, though why I have no idea!)
Camden, St Stephen The Martyr, Hampstead
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Phyllis Shelly http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?...c=&pid=3804274
born: 5th oct 1897
bapt 31 Aug 1899
d/o Frederic Shelly Mary Ann Shelly abode: 53, Cirencester st. (note that in the surname box it states PEARSON but is crossed out) occ: Cellarman
place St Mary Magdalene, Paddington Westminster County Middlesex
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and this looks to be cissys birth ref:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...DBirth&indiv=1Last edited by Darksecretz; 05-02-10, 12:51.Julie
They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........
.......I find dead people
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Finding your Mary Ann before she became Shelley or Needle will be difficult, because she wasnt the marrying kind. Have you heard any legends in the family of siblings, or her dads occupation, or anything that will give a clue.
The only guess I can make was that she married someone before Fred Shelley, and therefore was not free to marry Fred or William, and so just did what very very many people did those days, lived together and used the name of the partner.
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I have heard rumours that sh ran a brothel and took in unmarried mothers but I have no way of finding out .Her daughter Dorothea had a son befoe she married my grandad and I think Mary may have looked after him, As I said both family's have lots of skelitons Grandad went by a differtent name to his father and I only found that out through help from this site and I still cant find what happened to one of his sisters .
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I think Ive found your Mary Ann Pearson, She was the (Illegitimate daughter) of Hannah Pearson, who was the older sister of John Pearson from Moorehouse Nottingham.
What I found strange was Mary Ann Pearson(Shelley) is in London, then after her Partner died, she is all of a sudden 200 miles away living with a family called Pearson, they just had to be related, you dont just up and go somewhere 200 miles away with 3 small children, unless you have a destination.
Now John Pearson is living with his brother in 1881 , just married to Emma
RG11; Piece: 3305; Folio: 91; Page: 29;
in 1891 still with Emma
in 1901 Married to (Annie Louisa Wallace)
His Brother Walter in 1851(father Joseph mother Harriot)
HO107; Piece: 2135; Folio: 211; Page: 7;
this same family in 1871, Just Hannah and John at home
Class: RG10; Piece: 3537; Folio: 61; Page: 11;
In 1881 (Hannah married John Outram in 1878), they are all living with fatherJoseph sr
Class: RG11; Piece: 3372; Folio: 46; Page: 10;
And there you have Mary Ann daughter of Hannah, born the same place as John ( Moorhouse Notts)
what I think happened on the 1901 is that because all the children were born Paddington, the enumerator included her and did a job lot.
what do you think??
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