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**WendyPusey** · 01-02-10, 19:39

Sorry Brian, can't find anything I'm afraid.

**Chrissie Smiff** · 01-02-10, 22:34

I can't even find his birth reference Brian. What is his mothers name on the birth certificate please?

**ayse** · 02-02-10, 13:02

Found a Charles Henry Phillipps (same way as spelt on the 1911 census) registered 2nd Qtr, Greenwich, Greater London, 1d, 742 on Ancestry.

Found Charles Phillips in 1901 a car driver, widower, living at 17 Little ....Street, St Mary's Parish, Islington and working at Woolwich reference Cl RG13, Piece 193, Folio 84, Page 29. This says he was born in Islington 1873. He is living alone.

I'll see if I can find anything else

Ayse

**ayse** · 02-02-10, 13:12

1891 Found a Charles Phillips living with his brother Thomas aged 34 and born Sittingbourne, Kent a gas stoker. .Wife Esther born Ramsgate, son Thomas 6 and daughter Julia aged 9. The address is 12 Russell .eoff Building, Bermondsey. He is noted as a carman. Could this be him?

RG12, piece 376, folio 123, Page 50

**Teresa from the Bay** · 02-02-10, 14:15

Brian, is this his birth record?

Name: Charles William H Phillips
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Woolwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 866

**Britec** · 02-02-10, 17:33

Sorry guys posted yesterday and had to go out this is the first chance I have had to look on forum.

I dont have birth cert so dont know his mothers name.

Teresa I ordered that cert its not him:(

hes a hard person to find

**Britec** · 02-02-10, 17:37

i wonder if this could be him?

Charles Henry Phillipps
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 742

**Teresa from the Bay** · 02-02-10, 19:14

Brian, I have found this record.

William Charles Phillips
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Kingston
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Nov 1894
Parish: St Stephen, Walworth Common
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Phillips
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Kingston

I have looked at the fulll certificate on Ancestry London records and it gives the father( George)the occupation of carman. The name Phillips seems to be very common in London. I don't know if "carman" was a popular occupation. It also states that William Charles is a baker. Any help? Could the vicar have recorded his names incorrectly although he does sign as William Charles

**Britec** · 02-02-10, 20:03

Well some of the people in my family did used to swap the names around, so
I suppose its possible...but charles was a carman as well, would he have gone from a baker to carman?
I am not so sure what do you think.

**Britec** · 02-02-10, 20:14

Could this be him?

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 193; Folio: 84; Page: 29.

**Teresa from the Bay** · 02-02-10, 20:45

I have been having a look round Brian but there are so many Phillips in the London area that have given their children one or two of the names of your ancestor. I have looked at the marriage details of Charles and Mary and the 1911 census but no clues there. I have scoured the London marriages for Charles' earlier marriage but I can't find one. Sadly, the christening records don't list a father's occupation so that doesn't help. I hope someone else has a brainwave to help you.

**Britec** · 02-02-10, 21:54

Thanks for your help Teresa and your time, I know he is hard to find been looking for a long time, spent a fair bit on certs but none was the right one.

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