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  • Looking for Mother of William George Randall!

    Greeting to all from Stoke On Trent,
    We are trying to find out the Mother of William George Randall born 1884 in Kingston on Thames England, died 73 Thornton Road Carshalton Surrey England on the 22 Dec 1949.

    William married Emily Elizabeth Truscott, Kingston Surrey England on the
    24th Dec 1904 and lived at 70 Cambridge Grove Road, Kingston.

    We tried searching every William George Randall looking for the above
    address but without success so far, he also had a daughter Emily MAY Randall
    born 1905 and he lived at 25 Somerset Road, Kingston in 1905, he divorced
    Emily in 1918 and later remarried around 1920 too Nellie Davies.

    His father was name William, mother?
    Does anyone have any ideas on how we can find out his Mother's name?
    Best Wishes,
    John.

  • #2
    From his birth cert is the obvious answer

    June qtr 1884 Kingston 2a322
    Last edited by Jessbowbag; 29-01-10, 20:11.
    Jess

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    • #3
      Welcome to Family Tree Forum, John

      The birth certificate, for which Jess has given you the reference in the above post, can be ordered online from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ at a cost of £7. This will tell you both the mother's and father's name's, as well as the father's occupation, mother's maiden name and where they were living at the time of the birth.

      However, in the meantime, the 1891 census is showing the following family living in Leatherhead which is near Kingston, Surrey

      William D Randall 39 born Wimborne Minster, Dorset
      Jemima Randall 33 born Guildford, Surrey
      Edith L Randall 8 born Leatherhead, Surrey
      William G Randall 6 born ditto
      Eleanor M Randall 4 born ditto

      Could this be them?

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      • #4
        have you checked the alternative spellings of Randall?

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        • #5
          If this is indeed the correct family and he was actually born in Leatherhead, then the above birth reference is incorrect, as Leatherhead was in Epsom district, where another William George Randall was born -

          Sept qtr 1884
          William George Randall
          Epsom district
          2a 26

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          • #6
            Strange... 2x William George Randall born Surrey 1884 - only one on 1891 census??

            Can anyone find the one born Kingston district please?

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            • #7
              Huge thanks for all your assistance,
              We had seen the William G Randall born Leatherhead, Surrey but had discounted him because the marriage certificate for William G Randall and Emily Truscott shows his father William working as a gravedigger and the census shows William D Randall 39 born Wimborne Minster, Dorset working as some kind of clerk but to be honest its difficult to read his profession, it may also help to know that the following signed the marriage certificate as witnesses Ester Woodhead and William G Savage, we have no idea who they were.
              We also received one birth certificate for William G Randall but also discounted this because of his father occupation (upholsterers porter) this was William G Randall born 2nd Feb 1885 Middlesex, father=William Randall mother=Rosetta Chilcott
              Best wishes,
              John.

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              • #8
                Then I would suggest obtaining the Kingson birth certificate, as you have discounted the Epsom one...

                It's a shame he can't be found on the 1891 census, as that would provide you with the answer now (hopefully!).

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                • #9
                  Hi John - Have you found the family in 1911 in case the mother is living with them.There was an Esther Woodhead in the Kingston area - Deaths Jun 1913
                  Woodhead Esther 33 Kingston
                  2a 507
                  and a William G Savage
                  Deaths Sep 1910
                  Savage William G 19 Kingston 2a 201
                  Know that's a bit of chance though...assuming they weren't friends of the bride and groom have you found marriages between
                  a Randall and Savage for example..
                  Last edited by naomiatt; 30-01-10, 06:34.

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                  • #10
                    Hi Naomiatt,
                    We made several searches in the 1911 census but not for Esther Woodhead or William G Savage and were not sure what connection if any they have to William G Randall and we found no marriage as yet between a Randall and Savage, our 1911 census found William G Randall living at 36 Somerset Road, Kingston aged 25 (Nephew) living with Samuel Randall 52 (head) Louisa Randall 58, Amy Randall 30 (Niece) Alice Randall (Niece).
                    We know our William G Randall lived at 25 Somerset Road, Kingston around 1905, could the above be our William G Randall? although we think ours would be aged 27 in 1911 going from his DOB 1884, we working this out from his death certificate, he was 65 on December 22nd 1949 when he died.
                    We have sent for the following birth certificate June qtr 1884 Kingston 2a322, should take around 7 days, also in answer to lisajj we have tried a few alternative spellings for Randall.
                    Our next task is to find out if the following family member is still living- possible living person, Birth Jan Feb Mar 1932 in Wandsworth, Greater London , parents William George Randall and Nellie Davies and if he married and had children.
                    Many thanks, this is by far the best forum i have been on too date.
                    John.
                    Last edited by Velma Dinkley; 30-01-10, 11:18. Reason: Naming of possible living person

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                    • #11
                      I'm sorry John, but I've had to amend your last post, as it's forum policy to not name living persons (ie under 100) who are possibly still alive (ie death unconfirmed).

                      I would suggest, however, that you try searching on a site such as Genesreunited, as he could be listed. Also, have you searched on Ancestry for his death as these are transcribed up to 2005 now?

                      I'm pleased to hear your comments about FTF...

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                      • #12
                        Following on from the point about Est(h)er Woodhead, it looks like she might be a good lead to follow - mainly Woodheads are located in Yorkshire in 1901, but there is a young married couple Walter and Esther Woodhead, aged 24 and 22 at 72 Cambridge Grove Road in Kingston in 1901 (so next door to 70, occupied in 1901 by Dursleys and presumably William moved in there between 1901 and 1904, or perhaps the numbering on the 1901 census went slightly adrift and William stayed with the Woodheads in 1904?); there is a marriage for Walter Woodhead in Kingston district in 1898 and one of the two brides listed on the same index page is an Esther Randall.

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                        • #13
                          Hi Velma,
                          No problem and apologies for breaking the policy, we have searched on Ancestry for his death but have not found him, i will try searching on Genes reunited some time today, thanks again for your assistance.
                          Best wishes,
                          John.

                          Hi Moulting Owl and huge thanks for your time, your post sounds like an excellent lead i will try finding Esther Randall some time today on Ancestry. ;O)
                          Best wishes,
                          John.
                          Last edited by kingsbest; 30-01-10, 11:57.

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                          • #14
                            i think william and emily's daughter is a nurse child in 1911, at 1 walter st, kingston. emily m. randall b.1906, kingston on thames. living with henry j. and annie thame.

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                            • #15
                              there is a death in croydon for a william g randall in 1866, age 0. might be nothing. i can only ever see one william g randall on any census btw.

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                              • #16
                                ive traced william d. randall through the census, back when he was 19, he was a railway charing house clerk in wandsworth. so i guess he can be ruled out, unless there is a mistake on the marriage cert to emily elizabeth.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by kylejustin View Post
                                  i think william and emily's daughter is a nurse child in 1911, at 1 walter st, kingston. emily m. randall b.1906, kingston on thames. living with henry j. and annie thame.
                                  Thanks Kylejustin,
                                  I found the following on the 1911 Census, Emily May Living at 1 Walter Street, Richmond Living with Henry James Thame and Annie Thame, Im now wondering if Annie Thame was once a Randall, Also Emily Elizabeth Truscott left Kingston for Stoke taking only Edith Ellen Randall (deceased) however a few years later Emily May (died 1986) moved to stoke and Married Ernest Cooke (died 1976) at St Marys Church Bucknall Stoke on trent England.
                                  Emily Elizabeth Truscott second marriage was to Harry Steed around 1920, they had a daughter Phyllis Steed born 1923 died around 1944.
                                  The 1911 census shows Emily Elizabeth Truscott living as man and wife with Harry Stead but we think this is false because Emily Elizabeth Truscott did not divorce William until 1918. We have ordered a birth certificate for William and hope that this gives his Mothers name.
                                  Huge thanks for all your assistance,
                                  John

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                                  • #18
                                    well i hope u have some luck.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Jessbowbag View Post
                                      From his birth cert is the obvious answer

                                      June qtr 1884 Kingston 2a322
                                      We just received the above Birth Certificate, sadly it looks like another dead end, it has William George Randall born 21st April 1884 in Kingston on Thames at Fairfield road, Father= Frederick Charles Randall, Mother= Elizabeth Jane Randall formerly (looks like) Kirkley.
                                      The William George Randall we are trying to trace gives his father as deceased on the marriage certificate and named William Randall (Gravedigger) The search goes on!
                                      Thanks to all for your valuable time and assistance.
                                      John.

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                                      • #20
                                        There are 10 x William Randall's (variant spellings) on this site -


                                        The Kingston Life Cycles Database contains the following records:
                                        Kingston Upon Thames Census Area Records - 1851 to 1891
                                        Bonner Hill Cemetery Burial Registers - 1855 to 1911
                                        Kingston Parish Burial Registers - 1850 to 1901
                                        Kingston Parish Marriage Registers - 1850 to 1901

                                        I've not looked for Woodhead, Truscott etc etc
                                        Last edited by naomiatt; 06-02-10, 02:05.

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