Class: RG12; Piece: 269; Folio 86; Page 9; GSU roll: 6095379
James Newman head age 32 carman
Emma Newman wife age 26
Daniel Newman son age 9
James Newman son age 9
Charles Newman son age 6
John Newman son age 4
Louisa Newman dau (really mother) age 52
I have Emma in every census 1871-1911, plus birth cert. Unfortunately James was dead before 1911 so Emma's 'years married' is blank.
The family story I was told was that James was her second husband and that she had a son from her first marriage (I know family stories are notoriously unreliable but other stories from this branch have been 100% accurate so it seems worth considering). However, I now have 4 of her children's birth certs (getting desperate!) and all give her name as Newman, formerly Peel. I can't find her marrying anyone.
Her son Daniel is also a mystery - I can't find a birth cert or baptism for him, or a census entry for 1901 (I've concentrated on him rather than his brother James as the name is more unusual). In 1911 he's living at the same address as Emma with his family. His marriage cert gives his father as James Newman.
So, what I'd love to know is:
1. Did Emma marry anyone at all?
2. Birth record for Daniel Newman
3. 1901 census entry for Daniel Newman
Just to complicate things, there's another James and Emma Newman, similar ages, in Bethnal Green - Emma nee Witchalls. There must have been a family connection, I think, because my Emma's son Charles (born 1884) was born at 435 Bethnal Green Road - the same address Emma Witchalls gave when she married.
Marriages Jun 1882
Collett Ellen Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 489
GOSLING John Bethnal Green 1c 489 NEWMAN James Bethnal Green 1c 489
Popkins Ann Bethnal Green 1c 489 WITCHALLS Emma Bethnal Green 1c 489
Thanks for looking, Mary. I've tripped over that James and Emma Newman at every turn - only last week I sent for what I thought must be my Emma's death cert only to find it was the other one...
Have you managed to find a birth record for the son James? Its interesting that he has the same age as Daniel - were they twins or born very close together. It could be that Daniel is Emma's son from her first marriage or was born out of wedlock, which may be why you haven't found him (thinking aloud here).
Was the husband married previously - he's 6 years older than her.
And this is her parents' marriage (mistranscribed by FreeBMD but correct in the LMA records):
Marriages Sep 1858
Benjamin Emanuel Bethnal Gn 1c 665 Cooper Mary Ann Bethnal Gn 1c 665
King Ellen Bethnal Gn 1c 665 Whitehalls Charles Bethnal Green 1c 665
I've been tracing her backwards to see what the connection is with your Emma. As her mother was a Cooper, the connection was presumably on the Newman side.
Have you managed to find a birth record for the son James? Its interesting that he has the same age as Daniel - were they twins or born very close together. It could be that Daniel is Emma's son from her first marriage or was born out of wedlock, which may be why you haven't found him (thinking aloud here).
Was the husband married previously - he's 6 years older than her.
I haven't found Daniel's brother James Newmans' birth, Jackie - there are several possibilities, as James is a more common name than Daniel, and I've already spent a fortune on certs! For the same reason, I don't know whether James was married before. I know he's not married in 1881.
Marriages Mar 1860 Bellinger Louisa Shoreditch 1c 297
Bowker Harriett Shoreditch 1c 297 Newman James Shoreditch 1c 297
Peck Robert Henry Shoreditch 1c 297
His mother Louisa is living with him and Emma in 1891, misrecorded as "daughter".
Yes, that's the the right marriage. James is the only child they had as far as I can see. Mind you the marriage ended badly (that's why Louisa isn't with him in 1891) so perhaps it was effectively over early on.
And this is her parents' marriage (mistranscribed by FreeBMD but correct in the LMA records):
Marriages Sep 1858
Benjamin Emanuel Bethnal Gn 1c 665 Cooper Mary Ann Bethnal Gn 1c 665
King Ellen Bethnal Gn 1c 665 Whitehalls Charles Bethnal Green 1c 665
I've been tracing her backwards to see what the connection is with your Emma. As her mother was a Cooper, the connection was presumably on the Newman side.
Yes, I think it must have been. James Newman's grandfather Edward had 16 children including 7 boys who all seem to have survived. The other James's address at marriage was, if I remember rightly, Turk Street, which was where Edward lioved for many years.
have you looked through the births and Bapt 1813 - 1906 there are several poss for James with parents James and Emma one poss is james born in 1880 but they are living at 143 Montague St and he is case maker? but there are more.
James and Louisa Newman seem to have kept in close touch with their extended family.
As you've probably already noticed, an Emma Newman (probably James Newman's niece) is a servant in the household of her aunt and uncle John Chandler and Emma (née Bellinger) in 1871, and their son Walter Chandler is living with James and Louisa Newman in 1881.
A Richard Bellinger (presumably the son of one of Louisa's brothers) is living with Sarah Warren (Louisa's mother, who's remarried) and her son Thomas in 1871, and with Thomas Warren in 1881.
But I still haven't found a connection to the Witchell family.
My goodness, you lot are quick! The Newman/Bellinger connections took me weeks to untangle!
Gwen, I did try the LMA London baptisms but there was nothing that jumped out at me. Emma's hubby James was, as far as I know, always a carman (occasionally carter) - it seems to have been a family business over several generations.
I'm in two minds about whether the Witchells connection is a red herring. I'm sure Emma Peel and Emma Witchell were different people, which was the thing that bothered me when I first started out, but where the connection is I don't know.
Looks like the details of Emma's life are going to remain a mystery for a bit longer, lol, but thanks to everyone for looking. It's good to know I haven't missed anything obvious!
Can I ask if anyone can spot a missing couple in 1841? William and Mary Ann ANDERSON were at Crown Court, St George in the East, Middlesex in 1836, 1838, 1839 and Oct 1841 - but apparently not for the 1841 census. Can anyone find them anywhere?
Should be:
William ANDERSON possibly born Scotland about 1804, occupation usually labourer though also mariner and stevedore
Mary Ann ANDERSON possibly born Ireland about 1806-1810
Margaret ANDERSON born Liverpool about 1835
Jane ANDERSON born St George in the East 1839.
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