My great grandfather James Robert Iles was born in Wandsworth May 1844,he married and moved to Cheam and then Sutton in Surrey,I have his birth cert and his marriage cert. On the 1891 census he was living in Sutton with his wife Sarah and 4 children although he was named as Robert Iles and they stated that he was born in Cheam and that he was born in 1847,He could not read or write so i can take some of that with a pinch of salt. On the 1901 census his wife Sarah is now the head of the family,and in between that time Two of his children got married one was my Grandfather who married in 1897 and the other one was his sister who married the same year,on both their marriage certs James was listed as the witness ,now this could have been their brother James or their Father i cannot tell which,what i am trying to ascertain is what happened to My Great Grandfather James between 1891 and 1901, i do know on his last remaining daughers marriage cert in 1914 she lists her father as deceased,There is no reference to his death in both BMD or Ancestry records that i can see,so where would i look next?
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There's a James ILES in Brixton Hill, aged 62, born Wandsworth, a postman, with a younger wife called Emma. RG13/427 fo 134 p 10
I haven't checked to see where he was in 1891.
ChristineResearching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...
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ILES is open to mistranscription, of course, but I couldn't spot a likely candidate even then in the deaths index.
ChristineResearching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...
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Well then you're down to considering what might have happened:
a] death - misrecorded, mistranscribed, as just "male"
b] divorce/separation - ?possible remarriage with/out divorce - change of name?
c] e/migration - have you checked the passenger lists?
ChristineResearching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...
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Christine
It is more likely,that it would be in your first two categories,there must be a record of his death somewhere,as i know positively he only lived his later years in Sutton,so somewhere there must be a death cert registered,his wife died in 1904 and he definitely wasn,t living with her at the time ,i believe he had already died but i cannot prove it
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Originally posted by Darksecretz View Postwe have another member on here looking into the Iles family
maybe you are connected to him?
Oliveriles is his username, maybe a PM? might be fruitful?Uncle John - Passed away March 2020
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Originally posted by St Demon 4 View PostChristine
It is more likely,that it would be in your first two categories,there must be a record of his death somewhere,as i know positively he only lived his later years in Sutton,so somewhere there must be a death cert registered,his wife died in 1904 and he definitely wasn,t living with her at the time ,i believe he had already died but i cannot prove it
What I'm trying to say is that, just because a couple wasn't living together doesn't mean that one had died.
ChristineResearching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...
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I searched the ancestry and freebmd indexes for years for the death of my great-great grandfather Christopher Eccles. I was told he lived until his 90s, which narrowed the time frame (he was born in 1847). When the Manchester Burial records came on-line, I was able to find a likely burial for him, and asked the local Manchester Record Office for a matching death - and it was indeed him. For some reason (probably Christmas, he died Dec 21st), the record was never sent on to the GRO (or whatever it was then).
So, find out the local Record Office for Sutton and ask them to look in their records.
They don't need a GRO reference.
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