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    I have found amongst me rummaging.. an obit, though I can't for the life of me work out the relationship..

    I just don't know if she fits anywhere or not, though I suspect she does.. just havent found the link yet!

    If anyone could shed any light on this i'd be real grateful, thanks

    BTW the obit is dated 6th June 1910

    Julie
    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

    .......I find dead people

  • #2
    Before people start looking in the UK census to try to sort the family grouping, am I right in saying it is Manchester, USA?
    Elaine







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    • #3
      Yes Elaine, sorry I should've said, its Manchester, Connecticut, USA
      Julie
      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

      .......I find dead people

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      • #4
        I think the first sentence should read
        Mrs Mary Hallam, wife of John Hallam ......

        If that was the case, would all the relationships fit?

        I can see them together on the 1900 US census - they are listed as neigbours to one of your Lydall families (Annie & Willis)
        Elaine







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        • #5
          ohh Elaine, it has confused me cos it 'Mrs John Lydall'

          can you post me the link pls, I upgraded so will be able to see it.. so why would she be Mrs Hallam? (was it that see was nee Lydall)??

          I'm fairly confident that Fanny Foulds IS one of mine, But AFAIK they didnt have a brothers Isaac or John. :conf:
          Julie
          They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

          .......I find dead people

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          • #6
            If she was married to John Lydall, maybe the two brothers were in fact brothers in law, and maybe the two women were their wives? would that fit anything you have? Was it custom there to refer to women by their maiden names, as well as Mrs (husbands name)?

            Linda
            Linda


            My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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            • #7
              I don't know Linda,

              I'm pretty confident that Fanny Foulds was nee Lydall (I am going to order this marriage cert) she marries a William Foulds.

              Hannah Williams is also nee Lydall and I'm pretty sure too that she marries William Williams (though the cert will also be ordered too)

              thing is they all have children and cousins with the same names, its a nightmare!!!

              I don't have a John Lydall as brother to Fanny and Hannah though :emb:
              Julie
              They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

              .......I find dead people

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              • #8
                This is the link to the 1900 census
                - Ancestry.co.uk

                I remember you posting a part of this when you were trying to work out the names of the Lydall children (Beatrice & Bernice).
                Elaine







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                • #9
                  Tracing them back in the UK

                  1841 census - Mary Lydall in Whitwick (mentioned in the newspaper cutting)
                  - Ancestry.co.uk

                  There is a sister Hannah listed on the 1841 - but no brothers, although they could be elsewhere.

                  possible marriage
                  Marriages Mar 1851
                  Mary Lydall / John Hallam
                  Ashby de la Z 15 22
                  Elaine







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                  • #10
                    IGI - possible siblings for Mary Lydall - parents John & Francis.

                    ELIZABETH LYDALL
                    Christening: 07 MAY 1815 Whitwick, Leicester
                    MARY ANNE LYDALL
                    Christening: 25 MAR 1827 Whitwick, Leicester
                    HANNAH LYDALL
                    Christening: 09 MAY 1830 Whitwick, Leicester
                    GEORGE LYDALL
                    Christening: 14 MAY 1815 Whitwick, Leicester
                    HENRY LYDALL
                    Christening: 22 NOV 1835 Whitwick, Leicester
                    JOHN LYDALL
                    Christening: 25 MAR 1825 Whitwick, Leicester
                    Elaine







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                    • #11
                      On Ancestry there is a public tree with Mary Lydall b 1827 in Whitwick, and among her brothers and sisters are Fanny, Henry and Hannah. Might be worth a look. I presume that Whitwick could be pronounced "Wittick".

                      OK - the mother is also Mary b 1793, and on the 1851 census for her you made an amdendment as the name was transcribed as Lydale - ring a bell? Mary is on the 1841 census in St Alkmund Derbyshire.

                      Hope this makes sense

                      Linda
                      Linda


                      My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                      • #12
                        Hope this link works

                        Mary Lydall 1841 census

                        - Ancestry.co.uk
                        Linda


                        My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ozgirl View Post
                          Hope this link works

                          Mary Lydall 1841 census

                          - Ancestry.co.uk
                          That's different to the one I posted - post #9
                          Elaine







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                          • #14
                            Not sure if there are two Mary Lydalls born in Whitwick around the same time.
                            On the Ancestry tree the parents are given as James and Mary - but the baptisms I found on the IGI are parents Peter and Francis.
                            Elaine







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                            • #15
                              I did see that one too, but this one has the same parents names as the one Julie was looking at in 1851. Also there are more children on the tree on Ancestry - I don't know where the tree owner found them.
                              Linda


                              My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                              • #16
                                On the 1851 census for James and Mary they are all listed as being born in Whitwick. I can see why Julie finds them all confusing!
                                Linda


                                My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by ozgirl View Post
                                  I can see why Julie finds them all confusing!
                                  Ditto! :Big Grin:
                                  Elaine







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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ozgirl View Post
                                    Hope this link works

                                    Mary Lydall 1841 census

                                    - Ancestry.co.uk
                                    These are MY Lydalls yes. I can't believe I didnt see this... there IS a Mary with them, I know that there is a Maria.. but I believe that she marries a ROE and she is with the family in 41 with her son William.

                                    Elaine,

                                    I think that the 'other' Mary that you found with Francis & John are related to my lydalls but havent found where yet.

                                    you are confused.. I have Lydalls coming out of my earholes!! and they all stick around the same place and have the same named children! lol!!
                                    Julie
                                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                    .......I find dead people

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ozgirl View Post
                                      I did see that one too, but this one has the same parents names as the one Julie was looking at in 1851. Also there are more children on the tree on Ancestry - I don't know where the tree owner found them.
                                      can you post a link to this tree Linda.. please :smilee:
                                      Julie
                                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                      .......I find dead people

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                                      • #20
                                        Will try it again -

                                        - Ancestry.co.uk

                                        Linda
                                        Linda


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