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Elizabeth Herts
14-11-09, 20:57
I have downloaded the World War One service record for my grandfather - great, it said 7 pages. He was an engineer in the Royal Flying Corps.

It's left me more perplexed if anything! It doesn't tell me when he signed up, although it must have been 1916 is as he was employed at Bleiriot in Weybridge before that.

It says he was "medically unfit" in 1917/18 and that he was in hospital but doesn't say why or where !

The records for 2 of his brothers are similar. One was a night-flying pilot. But they are both very short on detail and some of the entries I don't understand at all as they are some sort of official code.

Aargh!

Little Nell
14-11-09, 21:10
How frustrating, Elizabeth.

I must say I've used the records (where they've survived) to get info about wives and marriage dates and children and next of kin, rather than getting involved in much of the actual service details.

Though I was shocked when I found that my gt uncle had had polio as a child and was still considered fit for active service. He was a prisoner of war (though it doesn't say where or for how long).

Elizabeth Herts
14-11-09, 21:31
Nell, I suppose I should be grateful because it tells me a few things.

Page 1 - cover sheet

Page 2 - columns
Outgoing activity C.D.D 185 5/11/18
Unit in which Saltfleetby (??)
Date of effect 29-10-18 4/11/18
Incoming authority confirming CDD/180 20/10/18

Joined unit med unfit RAF 1-11-18 C.D.D.

Elizabeth Herts
14-11-09, 21:49
Page 3

Authority C.D.D./183 3/10/18 (but rather unclear)
Medical Boards - Examination - Result Medically unsuitable
Date 1/11/18


Page 4

Gives personal details - name, date of birth, next of kin (my great-grandmother) and her address
R.A.F. (illegible number)
7.9.18 ?? (not clear)

Outgoing authority P.L. 255 ?? 25.1.19
Unit from which N.W.A York
Unit to which Non A? SAG No 2 Fight Sch ???? rest illegible
Special remarks re duties on appt 1.9.18 (followed by lots of letters that are hard to read!)
Incoming authority confirming Census/196


SERVICE CONSIDERED FOR THE GRANT OF WAR MEDALS

DL 90 (or 50?) Transferred to Unemployed List 29.6.19

Trina
15-11-09, 21:02
Have you looked at the website "The Long Long Trail"? I found it quite helpful when trying to decipher some of my relative's records.

Fi & Lilly
15-11-09, 22:22
Always check the previous and next set of pages. I did and found more pages for my great grandfather Woods. Just a tip in case you need it.

Trina
16-11-09, 15:36
Saltfleetby is in Lincolnshire as you probably know. Could CDD stand for Coastal Defence Department or something like that?

Elizabeth Herts
16-11-09, 15:46
Thanks Trina and Fi. With a little Googling and research I'm managing to work out some of the more cryptic comments, but I need to look at it again.

Trina
16-11-09, 15:56
Saltfleetby was the site of an army training camp in WW1, becoming the largest of all army training camps by WW2. It was a holiday camp in between!

Elizabeth Herts
16-11-09, 18:12
Bob, many thanks for the link. :smilee:

Holly
23-11-09, 12:40
I have downloaded the World War One service record for my grandfather - great, it said 7 pages. He was an engineer in the Royal Flying Corps.

It's left me more perplexed if anything! It doesn't tell me when he signed up, although it must have been 1916 is as he was employed at Bleiriot in Weybridge before that.

It says he was "medically unfit" in 1917/18 and that he was in hospital but doesn't say why or where !

The records for 2 of his brothers are similar. One was a night-flying pilot. But they are both very short on detail and some of the entries I don't understand at all as they are some sort of official code.

Aargh!

Hi Elizabeth,

Do you have a Link to the part of the National Archives where you downloaded the RFC WW1 Records from? I find that Site very difficult to navigate, & end up going round in circles on it:F

I'm looking for the WW1 RFC Record for my late Uncle, George Felix Wilson (1900-1970) who was an Observer Officer in WW1. I've visited Kew, but had no success finding anything, although I had thought that they were on microfiche only.

Cheers, Holly

Elizabeth Herts
23-11-09, 13:53
Holly, here you are - you can download it on line for £3.50:

The National Archives | DocumentsOnline | Image Details (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=8268988&queryType=1&resultcount=22)

Name Wilson, George Felix
18 February 1900 AIR 76/554


Catalogue reference AIR 76/554links to the Catalogue
Dept Records created or inherited by the Air Ministry, the Royal Air Force, and related bodies
Series Air Ministry: Department of the Master-General of Personnel: Officers' Service Records

Holly
23-11-09, 16:07
Holly, here you are - you can download it on line for £3.50:
The National Archives | DocumentsOnline | Image Details (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=8268988&queryType=1&resultcount=22)
Name Wilson, George Felix
18 February 1900 AIR 76/554
Catalogue reference AIR 76/554links to the Catalogue
Dept Records created or inherited by the Air Ministry, the Royal Air Force, and related bodies
Series Air Ministry: Department of the Master-General of Personnel: Officers' Service Records

Gosh...!! Many Thanks for that Elizabeth :smilee:

Now why couldn't I find that? Does this mean that WW1 Service Records that were previously only available to view on microfiche have now been made available on-line? (I have also been looking for years for my late father's WW1 RNR Service Record, but have had no joy with that).

Best Wishes, Holly.

Elizabeth Herts
23-11-09, 16:46
Holly, they were only put on line a couple of weeks ago, which is why you couldn't find it!

I hope it gives you lots of information.

Holly
23-11-09, 17:14
Hi Elizabeth,

This has quite made my day Elizabeth, - many thanks for posting the Link.

I've had quite an extensive trawl through...but sadly it looks as though the WW1 RNR Service Records are still not available on-line. (Although the RNVR ones are). I don't know why they haven't scanned the RNR as well, - I would've thought they could have been added along with the RNVR...but doubtless they have their reasons.

Best Wishes, Holly.

Sheila from Down Under
24-11-09, 02:20
I have never been lucky with the Royal Flying Corps. My father was a printer in the Corp and I have a picture of him with his small unit I have never got anywhere. He is now dead so I can't ask him
Sheila

Elizabeth Herts
24-11-09, 07:57
I have never been lucky with the Royal Flying Corps. My father was a printer in the Corp and I have a picture of him with his small unit I have never got anywhere. He is now dead so I can't ask him
Sheila

Sheila, there are records on line now - have you searched his name? TNA have only just put them on Documents on Line. I had no success with my grandfather for years, but now I have his service records.

Sheila from Down Under
24-11-09, 09:09
Elizabeth I am sorry that I have taken so long to answer I went and had a look. and nothing, it must be something to do with me . So if anyone can help his name is Harold Bean No 167202 he was in the " printing Staff" I think the photo was taken in 1918. I would not gratfull .
Regards
Sheila :o

Sheila from Down Under
24-11-09, 09:28
It is dinner time Down Under (7.30) so I'll be away for 1 hour Sorry
Sheila

SueNSW
24-11-09, 09:38
Sheila - hope dinner was good

If i've read things right - the reason you can't find him is because it's only officer's records that have gone online.

This link to the NA explains the different records and their locations

The National Archives | The Catalogue | Research Guides (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=60&j=1)

This section seems to refer to the record of your man -

Records of the first 329,000 men who served in the RFC before 1 April 1918, and in the RAF (formerly RFC and RNAS) from 1 April 1918 are in AIR 79 . They are in service number order. If you do not know the service number, look at the index in AIR 78 . The records in AIR 79 generally contain:

* date and place of birth
* physical description
* religious denomination
* next of kin
* spouse and children



* date of joining
* promotions
* units served in
* award of medals
* date of discharge

Records of those men within the service number range 1-329000 who went on to see service in the Second World War, are still maintained by the RAF.

Perhaps you could ask if anyone is going to Kew could possibly check for you

Cheers
Sue

Sheila from Down Under
24-11-09, 10:33
Thanks , yes it was I'll try that