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John_8251
08-11-09, 13:51
I renewed my Ancestry never thinking I would need Worldwide cover and sods law.... I could do with a little help.

Having cracked open my Irish side one of my new found relatives comes up as a great match in an Austalian tree... same name(Thomas Carroll) and parents, place and date of birth etc. I have mailed the tree owner but they have not been on line for over 6 months and I have had no reply after a month.

It seems from the Public Tree that Thomas Carroll B1861 in Bunmahon/Stradbally Co Waterford married Bridget Leavy B1865 in Fyora, Co Longford.... No details of marriage but poss in Australia.

They had at least 6 children. Mary b1896, Ellen b1897, Annie b1899, Thomas b 1902, William b1904, Patrick b1910.

No places of birth given but on the tree living relatives named Carroll are b in Queensland.

Could anyone check the Census in Australia or if possible passenger lists and see if any trace?

Many thanks in advance and any ideas on how to make contact with my Australian link would be appreciated.

herky
08-11-09, 14:08
There is a Th Carroll, b c 1861, Waterford in an Australian shipping list.
Let me look further and I will get beck to you.
The date of the voyage was 1888/1889

jean
08-11-09, 14:26
you can search australian records online - their certificates give lots of information
Search our historical records : Department of Justice and Attorney-General (http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/search-historical-records.htm)

Australia - Family Tree Forum (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Australia)

John_8251
08-11-09, 14:44
There is a Th Carroll, b c 1861, Waterford in an Australian shipping list.
Let me look further and I will get beck to you.
The date of the voyage was 1888/1889

That looks very interesting:smilee: look forward to that

John_8251
08-11-09, 14:47
you can search australian records online - their certificates give lots of information
Search our historical records : Department of Justice and Attorney-General (http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/search-historical-records.htm)

Australia - Family Tree Forum (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Australia)

Jean... I just found the marriage of Thomas Carroll and Bridget Leavy in Queensland in 1896. Great link.... Many thanks!:) Looks like the public tree info is good. I HAVE to get this marriage cert!

John_8251
08-11-09, 17:26
There is a Th Carroll, b c 1861, Waterford in an Australian shipping list.
Let me look further and I will get beck to you.
The date of the voyage was 1888/1889

I have been digging around on the site mention by Jean for records and the tree I mentioned gives the death of Thomas Carroll as 1922. A search of the graves in Queensland shows 2 others buried in the same grave, Mary (1890)and Elizabeth Carroll (1893)....... that ties in perfectly I have them both on my tree but this is all new stuff!!

Just wondering if Mary and Elizabeth are on the same 1888/9 Australian shipping list and any other Carroll's travelling together?

I am having a good day! :smilee: Many thanks in advance.

jean
08-11-09, 17:38
Oh well done - I do love the australian certs they give you so much information.:clap:
when I got my gt grandfathers death cert, I could find pictures of cemetry and grave number online:)
the australian electoral rolls are on world ancestry if someone will look them up for you - they give extra snippets to build the picture.

herky
08-11-09, 17:49
Sorry John - called away and then got involved.
I will PM you with the details.

John_8251
08-11-09, 19:26
Thank you all for your help on this. It seems Thomas Carroll (b1861) was part of the crew on this ship (could be my guy) so he and his sisters arrived prior to 1888. His bother William (my GG Gfather) arrived in Liverpool around 1877... I am guessing the family split up around then.
As you say Jean, the Aus info that is available online is really good.... so good I am giddy. Just hope a live one comes up!
Finding 3 of them in one grave is a double bonus! AND I have the grave number and an ariel picture. Cheers!

Harrys mum
08-11-09, 20:32
John...........

I'll have a look at the electoral rolls for you. Just let me get my early morning cuppa first...lol

Where were the graves??? I love digging around cemeteries.

jean
08-11-09, 20:44
Sorry John can I just hijack your thread for a minute please?
Libby is
Martyn Street Cemetery
2-40 Anderson Street
Manunda, 4870

near you? I'm assuming its near Cairns where my gt grandfather died rather than Brisbane where he lived?

Harrys mum
08-11-09, 20:44
There's a Thomas and Bridget in Clifton in 1903. Clifton is good for me as it's fairly close.

Haven't checked any others yet....back soon.

Harrys mum
08-11-09, 20:45
OK, Jean...........missed that. Cairns is a bit further.....about 2,000kms...lol

The fellow in Clifton in 1903 was a railway worker.

jean
08-11-09, 21:08
Cairns is a bit further.....about 2,000kms...lol


not an early morning jog then:Big Grin::Big Grin:

John_8251
08-11-09, 21:10
John...........

I'll have a look at the electoral rolls for you. Just let me get my early morning cuppa first...lol

Where were the graves??? I love digging around cemeteries.

Morning :smilee: Not sure if this link works but this is the grave

https://online.brisbane.qld.gov.au/cemeteries/cemeteries_step3.jsp?mapdisplay=117492

naomiatt
08-11-09, 21:35
Hi John - There is mention of this family in the Beta Newspaper site e.g
"Probate has been granted in the matter of Elizabeth Carroll, Stanley Street, South Bris- spinster" from the Brisbane Courier, Dec, 1893. If you do advanced search, exact, but don't worry about selecting the papers and go straight to search at the bottom, info comes up - in this case, I restricted the dates from 1/1/1803-31/12/1893.
You might be able to build up a Carroll story from the newspapers.
Might be handy State Library of Queensland - Wills, probate (http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/info/fh/wills,_probate?SQ_DESIGN_NAME=text_only&SQ_ACTION=set_design_name)

John_8251
08-11-09, 22:27
Hi John - There is mention of this family in the Beta Newspaper site e.g
"Probate has been granted in the matter of Elizabeth Carroll, Stanley Street, South Bris- spinster" from the Brisbane Courier, Dec, 1893. If you do advanced search, exact, but don't worry about selecting the papers and go straight to search at the bottom, info comes up - in this case, I restricted the dates from 1/1/1803-31/12/1893.
You might be able to build up a Carroll story from the newspapers.
Might be handy State Library of Queensland - Wills, probate (http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/info/fh/wills,_probate?SQ_DESIGN_NAME=text_only&SQ_ACTION=set_design_name)

Thank you for the links... I am working on it as we speak :smilee:

naomiatt
09-11-09, 00:51
Thank you for the links... I am working on it as we speak :smilee:

Just realised - didn't give the link :smilee:
NLA Australian Newspapers (http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/)

Harrys mum
09-11-09, 01:13
Wonder if Thomas and Bridget are ancestors of the parish priest at my dad's church????

South Brisbane cemetery is easy to find...only about 250kms....lol....but I do go there.

naomiatt
09-11-09, 02:48
Hi - they have a website Untitled Document (http://www.southbrisbanecemetery.org/)
Friends of South Brisbane Cemetery;
Need information for your family history research? When it comes to the cemetery, our researchers are the most knowledgable people around, and the FOSBC holds the following records and research materials:

- full list of South Brisbane Cemetery interments
- full list of South Brisbane Cemetery monumental inscriptions
- extensive collection of local history publications about the local area
***** photographs of all South Brisbane Cemetery graves*****

Our records are often more reliable than the Brisbane City Council records.

FOSBC volunteers donate their time for research on behalf of genealogists and historians. Monetary donations to our group are welcome as we are a not-for-profit group, and any donations you make go back into helping us maintain the cemetery and conduct further research.

Send us an email with your name and contact details, and as many details as you can provide about the person you are looking for (name, date of death, etc). We will get back to you ASAP.

John_8251
09-11-09, 14:22
Naomiatt.... I have mailed the details I have to the Friends of S Brisbane asking if the grave has a headstone and any inscription. So thanks for that one.
I mailed my brother in Canada yesterday to update him on the new link to Australia... how spooky is this. His daughter enrolled at Brisbane Uni last week and will travel from Canada next year! Of all the places in all of the world eh....wow.

Still hoping to find when Thomas and his sisters arrived in Australia... thanks again

John_8251
09-11-09, 19:50
Update..... I just got a mail from the Friends of S Brisbane Cemetery plus more info to digest!

Here is part of the reply

Good Evening from Brissy.

Thank you so much for your kind words - I am so happy to hear from another person on the other side of the world.

The grave you have mentioned is actually one of my favourites and I posted the photo of the headstone on ourbrisbane.com


Dutton Park Cemetery - beautiful masonary work | ourbrisbane.com (http://www.ourbrisbane.com/photos/262283.dutton-park-cemetery-beautiful-masonary-work)


I have also attached the original photo (grave is portion 2F graves 20 & 21). Here is what is says on the headstone:

Elizabeth Carroll
31 August 1893 33yrs

Mary (sis/Elizabeth)
6 February 1890 27yrs

John Carroll
18 April 1899 75yrs

his daughter
Mrs Julia Byrne
died - Bundaberg 25 July 1895 35yrs 6mths

Elizabeth (w/John Carroll)
23 February 1906 67yrs

Also buried in this plot but not on the headstone is -

Catherine McRae buried 28 December 1948
Thomas P Carroll buried 6 February 1922

What a great reply.... and check out that headstone!
Without the help of others who posted me links etc... I would never have found this..... thanks again!

Caroline
09-11-09, 20:09
Hi - they have a website Untitled Document (http://www.southbrisbanecemetery.org/)
Friends of South Brisbane Cemetery;


Thank you for posting this link - I have added it to the wiki on the new Cemeteries Online - Family Tree Forum (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Cemeteries_Online) page. :)

naomiatt
09-11-09, 21:10
Naomiatt.... I have mailed the details I have to the Friends of S Brisbane asking if the grave has a headstone and any inscription. So thanks for that one.
I mailed my brother in Canada yesterday to update him on the new link to Australia... how spooky is this. His daughter enrolled at Brisbane Uni last week and will travel from Canada next year! Of all the places in all of the world eh....wow.

Still hoping to find when Thomas and his sisters arrived in Australia... thanks again

..and guess where I live John! :Big Grin:

naomiatt
09-11-09, 21:12
Thank you for posting this link - I have added it to the wiki on the new Cemeteries Online - Family Tree Forum (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Cemeteries_Online) page. :)

Hi - not a problem. They sound nice and friendly as well :)

John_8251
09-11-09, 21:37
..and guess where I live John! :Big Grin:

It has to be..... well, your knowlege of Australia searches points that way but you are up early. I reckon you are from Canada or Oz :Big Grin:

You recall that snippet re Elizabeth and the newspaper link you posted... well I went a year ahead and found a dodgy solicitor who had pocketed £2k from an Elizabeth Carroll (now dead) but the claim was brought by Mrs Elizabeth Carroll re an accident. I put it to one side (to hard tray) but after finding Elizabeth (wife of John) on the headstone it is slowly falling into place.
My theory is John Carroll was the uncle of Thomas, Elizabeth and Mary who was already in Australia... and they went over and joined the family.
I will work on that but I have to go to Budapest for a couple of days so it is on ice for now.

naomiatt
09-11-09, 21:44
Is there anything in these sites for the Carroll's? - different links for the different bits -
Indexes (http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/indexes.asp) and
Index to Passage Certificates 1887-1906 (http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/passage.asp)
Indexes Online — State Records NSW (http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-online) - might be a bit early for them
Search the Archives Database (http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/searchdatabase.asp)

naomiatt
09-11-09, 21:48
It has to be..... well, your knowlege of Australia searches points that way but you are up early. I reckon you are from Canada or Oz :Big Grin:

You recall that snippet re Elizabeth and the newspaper link you posted... well I went a year ahead and found a dodgy solicitor who had pocketed £2k from an Elizabeth Carroll (now dead) but the claim was brought by Mrs Elizabeth Carroll re an accident. I put it to one side (to hard tray) but after finding Elizabeth (wife of John) on the headstone it is slowly falling into place.
My theory is John Carroll was the uncle of Thomas, Elizabeth and Mary who was already in Australia... and they went over and joined the family.
I will work on that but I have to go to Budapest for a couple of days so it is on ice for now.

Brissie! ;) That newspaper site is really good, and it's just been updated as well. 2k was a lot of $ (can't do the pound sign here!) in those times.
When you get back, you might be able to find details about the claim as well.

John_8251
09-11-09, 22:20
Brissie! ;) That newspaper site is really good, and it's just been updated as well. 2k was a lot of $ (can't do the pound sign here!) in those times.
When you get back, you might be able to find details about the claim as well.

I have saved all the links you have posted for when I get back...2k in them days was £s so it says (cant do $ signs here lol). Seems Elizabeth was injured and left paralysed from the waist down and died after claim agreed but before the claim was paid out. Facinating... but I need to sleep.:conf:

Hope these links can be gathered... they are very useful

damannion
08-11-10, 23:05
John, come back...this is a long-lost American cousin, LOL. I am related to the Leavys and Carrolls and have answers to some of your questions. (Plus some good family stories, including some I just learned about this week.) We are in touch with some of the Carrolls in Australia and I know they would be thrilled to hear from you!

Harrys mum
08-11-10, 23:18
Hello Damannion. Welcome to FTF.

I remember helping John with the Carrolls ages ago. I was living in Brisbane and have Carrolls in my tree through amrriage but couldn't connect them.

If John doesn't see this, click on his board name (John_8251) and you will see "private message" and you can send him a message that way.

Hope you enjoy being with us.

Val and George
09-11-10, 06:45
Oh this is an exciting thread - can't wait to see what happens next....:D

congratulations everyone...............these type of stories make FH all worthwhile don't they?