Balloon Makers

[norwayjane]

I've just started on my sister-in-law's tree and am slowly going cross-eyed:conf:

Matilda Weinling marries John Robson in 1877 and her father is registered as Louis Wm. Weinling a Balloon Maker
- Ancestry.co.uk

At her wedding she is aged 25 (1852)
I have found her in the censuses as follows
1881 aged 39 (1842) and born in Islington (Here she's iving next door to a Weinling family - are they hers?)
1891 aged 46 (1845) and born in Hoxton
1901 aged 46 (1856) and born in Poplar
consistant in these finds in John Robson her husband - a tripe dresser/butcher

My difficulty is attaching her to her own family. I'm tempted by the Weinlings on this 1871 census - Ancestry.co.uk but of course the father's name isn't the same and there's a discrepancy in the age - 14 (1857).
I've had fun investigating Weinlings and balloon manufacture but cannot find any mention of a Louis William of an appropriate age. Can anyone help?
Many thanks jjj

[Darksecretz]

i think that because you have both eugene and frederick as witness' to her wedding this is a very credible family. yes her age is abit out, but thats nothing compared to the census results is it?

have you found a baptism on LMA for her or any of her family yet??

[Elaine ..Spain]

There are a couple of trees on Ancestry which show her father's name as Casamir Frederick Louis Aloys Weinling or Casimir Frederick Lewis Weinling.
Might be worth making contact.

[norwayjane]

Thanks Dark Secretz for your interest - the earlist baptism for the Weinlings on the LMA ancestry is for Robert William in 1851 at St. Pancras (parents Frederick and Ann) They have three children born before that and three/four after so maybe they baptised him because he was unwell (Robert in the 1861 census was aged 8 so possibly not the same one)

[norwayjane]

Thanks Elaine - I'll give that a go jjj

[Darksecretz]

here you go 1861 with her family...

- Ancestry.co.uk

this tree looks very interesting

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/6542231/person/-1270344197

[Darksecretz]

Fredericks death

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[Darksecretz]

on a roll here:

His marriage ref

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[norwayjane]

Thanks for those reference - I've saved those. I've also sent a message to the tree owner - hope she replies. This tree owner has left a comment saying that the father of the family was quite fluid in his use of first names so I'm thinking positively but still don't want to connect these families til I get a reply. Here's hoping
jjj

[Darksecretz]

can't find them on the 1851 yet though.. :F

perhaps their might be something in 'trade directories' on ancestry, though with the looks of that tree I'd be tempted to contact them first :smilee:

[Darksecretz]

on a roll here:

His marriage ref

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this is his marriage on LMA... father named Jaques Dec'd at time of marriage.

- Ancestry.co.uk

[norwayjane]

Brilliant - thank you.

Can't wait to hear back from the tree owner but the more I think about it this must be the right family - why else would they be neighbours in 1881?

Thanks again
jjj

[Darksecretz]

no problems... :smilee:

I think it is highly probable that they are one and the same.. though on one census, it did state that he came from France.. and Jaques isnt a very German soundng name is it? but then again no saying you cant have a french dad and be born in germany is there?

hope that it all comes good, I still couldnt find them in the 51 cens though, i wondered if is in the missing bits for london?

[norwayjane]

Have read somewhere that Mr "Balloon Maker" Weinling came from Alsace (well what I really read was that he was an Alsatian:smilee.
Isn't Alsace one of those areas that went back and forth from Germany to France? jjj

[WendyP]

HI

Not quite what your looking for but there is an entry against the surname of WEINLING on this site

W - Who's Who of Ballooning


Sorry if you've already seen it.....

[WendyP]

HI

another link for you also

Royal Engineers Museum - Specialist - Royal Engineers and Aeronautics

[Darksecretz]

Have read somewhere that Mr "Balloon Maker" Weinling came from Alsace (well what I really read was that he was an Alsatian:smilee.
Isn't Alsace one of those areas that went back and forth from Germany to France? jjj

Looks Like it Jane...

Alsace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:smilee::smilee:

[cornet]

Dear darksecretz, I have been looking for my Grandmothers mother on Genes reunited. To cut a long story short my Grandmothers mother was we think Madeleine weinling born 1889 and is the ancesters of the Balloon makers of London. Madeleine Weinling had my Grandmother in July 1919 at Queen charlottes Marlybone London. She was the result of the union of my Greatgrand father at the end of the first world war. I dont know wether you visit this site anymore but i would like to know who is the woman in the black and white photo on your site on the family site forum. Many thanks Mandy Phipps