The winner of WDWTYA 22 October 2009 is:

[jennie]

Stevie 2006

Thankyou Steve for giving us a challenge for this week.

Steve posted this earlier:



Jennie I have an ancester Ambrose Stokes whom I have received help before via this forum but don't know if anyone else can help further.

I know that his DOB is 21/11/1845 in Brentford and his death is 23/4/1887 in Brentford. His father was Samuel Stokes and mother was Sarah Nixon. I have him on board HMS Icarus on the 1861 census aged 15 as a boy 2nd class. I also have him on the 1871 and 1881 censuses.

I wondered if anyone could find him on the 1851 census cannot find him at all. Also wondered if there would be any way to find navy records that far back. He looks like he joined the navy then became a Waterman and some forum users have managed to find his apprenticeship date when he began training as a waterman.

I know very little on his parents as Samuel is a common name whereas Ambrose is more ny help on his parents would also be great.

Basically any more information on Ambrose, his career, census information and also help with Samuel or Sarah.

Many thanks

Steven

[WendyPusey]

1841 census - his parents

HO107; Piece 689; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Ealing; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 6; Page: 4; Line: 16; GSU roll: 438805.

His baptism appears on LMA on Ancestry and Lucy is also on there.

Haven't found them on the 1851 census yet though.

[Elaine ..Spain]

There are a couple of possible burials for the children on the LMA records

Lucy Stokes - buried 26 Oct 1842 - St. George, Old Brentford - aged 5 years
William Stokes - buried 19 Oct 1842 - St George, Old Brentford - age 3 years

[WendyPusey]

Baptisms on LMA Ancestry - Will send images if you can't get them.

Father is a Waterman

Lucy Stokes
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1838
Father's Name: Samuel Stokes
Mother's Name: Sarah Stokes
Parish: Saint George, Old Brentford, Hounslow

William Stokes
Baptism Date: 29 May 1839
Father's Name: Samuel Stokes
Mother's Name: Sarah Stokes
Parish: Saint George, Old Brentford, Hounslow

Samuel Stokes
Baptism Date: 20 Jun 1841
Father's Name: Samuel Stokes
Mother's Name: Sarah Stokes
Parish: Saint George, Old Brentford, Hounslow

Ambrose Stokes
Baptism Date: 28 Dec 1845
Father's Name: Samuel Stokes
Mother's Name: Sarah Stokes
Parish: Saint Laurence, New Brentford, Hounslow

Susan Stokes
Baptism Date: 25 Jan 1849
Father's Name: Samuel Stokes
Mother's Name: Sarah Stokes
Parish: Saint George, Old Brentford, Hounslow

Ellen Stokes
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1853
Father's Name: Samuel Stokes
Mother's Name: Sarah Stokes
Parish: Saint George, Old Brentford, Hounslow

Sarah Stokes
Baptism Date: 9 Oct 1853
Father's Name: Samuel Stokes
Mother's Name: Sarah Stokes
Parish: Saint George, Old Brentford, Hounslow

[Elaine ..Spain]

Also

Samuel Stokes - burial 5 December 1842 - St. George, Old Brentford - age 17 months.

He could be the child listed in the 1841 census with name not known, aged 2 weeks.

How sad if they are all the same family - losing three children within the space of a couple of months.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Ellen Stokes - burial 20 June 1854 - St George, Old Brentford - age 1 year

also on the same day
Sarah Stokes - age 4 years. (wonder if this was Susan b1849 ??)

[WendyPusey]

That explains why I can't find any of them.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Same here Wendy, there seems to be a lot of deaths in the family.

[WendyPusey]

Only leaves 2 children!! How sad.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Only ones I cannot find deaths for are Ambrose b1845 and Sarah b1853
- and possibly Susan b1849 (she may be the Sarah buried in 1853 - same day as Ellen).

[WendyPusey]

So where is Ambrose in 1851?

[Elaine ..Spain]

There is a burial on 21 Dec 1859 - New Brentford - for a Sarah Stokes age 46 (therefore born c1813) - worth making a note of.

[Elaine ..Spain]

So where is Ambrose in 1851?

No idea! :Big Grin:

[WendyPusey]

Samuel Stokes married Sarah Nichson 6th March 1837 at St Mary the Virgin, Norwood green, Middlesex.

Witnesses: Jane Moles/Noles and Timothy Loc?

[Elaine ..Spain]

Ellen Stokes - burial 20 June 1854 - St George, Old Brentford - age 1 year

also on the same day
Sarah Stokes - age 4 years. (wonder if this was Susan b1849 ??)

Just checking this entry again and there is something written in the margin against each entry - looks like B9 - which could possibly be a grave reference. Same reference for each entry.

[WendyPusey]

There is a possible baptism for a Samuel Stokes on 9th january 1913 at St Lawrence, New Brentford.

Parents are William & Eleanor and he is a Bargeman.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Their address in 1841 was The Hollows.
I can see Old Hollows and Hollows in 1851 - and they are not listed under either.

[Elaine ..Spain]

1861 - possible for Samuel with a new wife!
1861 census Ancestry
RG9; Piece: 777; Folio: 31; Page: 16

- transcribed as Stoakes

[jennie]

Have you tried looking in our wiki on the Royal Navy page for ideas on where to get the records? here is the link The Royal Navy - Family Tree Forum

[Elaine ..Spain]

Possible death for Samuel (from freeBMD)

Samuel Stokes - age at death 57
1869 Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Brentford
Volume: 3a
Page: 60