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  • The Winner of Who Do We Think You Are 3rd September is.............

    ~~Lesley~~

    well done, I hope you get a few brick walls knocked down
    Last edited by Barbara Dodds; 03-09-09, 22:39.
    Barbara

  • #2
    Thank you

    Thank you Barbara

    I hope someone has a JCB or two to knock down those walls ;)

    I'm hoping that someone will spot something that I've missed.


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    • #3
      *goes and gets sledgehammer as its a bit late at night fora JCB*:D
      Barbara

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      • #4
        Good luck Lesley go get some walls down dear ;;;
        borobabs passed away March 2018

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        • #5
          My biggest brick wall which I haven't really looked at properly in a while is Mary Coleburn born in Liverpool about 1835.

          The spelling of her name could easily vary ie Mary Coulburn, Mary Colborne etc which makes it more problematic.

          She married in Wigan in May 1864 and she listed her parent as Mary Coleburn whose occupation was brickmaker. I presumed, perhaps wrongly that she may be illegitimate. She was 29 years of age at the time of her marriage to James Bratherton/Bretherton/Brotherton.

          Witnesses at the marriage were John and Mary Hampston. I'm not sure who they are, they could be friends or related to her husband.

          1841?
          I'd really like to find her on the 1841 census to see if I can tie her in with her parent(s)

          1851

          In 1851, I think she could be 16 year old Mary Coulburn listed as a servant at Mill Lane, Hindley, Lancashire, Englandwith the Isherwood family. No clue to her parents.

          Class: HO107; Piece: 2200; Folio: 116; Page: 12; GSU roll: 87210.

          1861?

          I'm not sure where Mary is in 1861.

          1871

          In 1871, she is 36 and married to James Bratherton and living in Albert Street in Wigan.

          Class: RG10; Piece: 3895; Folio: 18; Page: 30; GSU roll: 842041.

          The interesting thing is who is lodging in the house next door in 1871:

          Ann Coleburn (unmarried), a 22 year old tailoress from Liverpool with her 5 month? old daughter born in Wigan (ooh hadn't registered that she was born in Wigan before). I'm just wondering whether she may be related to Mary somehow.

          1881

          Again I can account for Mary Bratherton in 1881. She is living at 9 Warrington Road, Pemberton, Lancashire with her children as her husband had died.
          Class: RG11; Piece: 3779; Folio: 27; Page: 1; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341904.

          1891

          In 1891 she is living at 74, Soho Street, Newtown, Wigan, Lancashire with some of her children.

          Class: RG12; Piece: 3063; Folio 113; Page 12; GSU roll: 6098173.

          1901?

          I cannot find her on the 1901 census but she died in 1902 in the workhouse in Wigan.

          As I said, I'd love to find her in 1841 or find a clue as to who her parents were or the connection with Ann Coleburn.


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          • #6
            There's also something else which keeps niggling at me,

            There is a Mary Coleburn baptised about 1835 in Liverpool St Anthony's to John Coleman and Ann Bryan.

            I keep coming back to what I think is John's (b. abt 1811 Ireland) 1841 census records in Woodstock Street Liverpool (John Coulbourn) where he is listed as a bricklayer and I keep thinking there may be a connection.

            There is a 6 year old Mary Coulbourn living there at the time.

            Class: HO107; Piece 564; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 14; Page: 21; Line: 16; GSU roll: 438716.

            Also if you follow the family through the census records, if I've got the right John (which I may not have done) he seems to end up in Hindley with some of the other children.


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            • #7
              Class: RG9; Piece: 2678; Folio: 7; Page: 8; GSU roll: 543011

              This Mary Colborn is a servant with an Ann Foster Publican in Liverpool right age 1861 Census Parish of St Micheal,reg district St Thomas

              Edna

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              • #8
                Thank you Edna, I had forgotten about her. I wasn't sure whether it is her or not as she seems to be living back in Liverpool. I suppose I need to identify if there is more than one Mary Coleburn of the same age from Liverpool (with various spellings) and track all of them,


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                • #9
                  1841:

                  - Ancestry.co.uk

                  Class: HO107; Piece 564; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 14; Page: 21; Line: 16; GSU roll: 438716.

                  not exactly a best fit.. as mothers name is ANN but the father JOHN is a brickmaker..
                  Julie
                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                  .......I find dead people

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                  • #10
                    I have been looking for the last couple of hours at the Hampson names of John and Mary and found several possibilities but I have just found a couple who have this name transcribed but someone has had a note made to say Thompson but on looking at the actual record in Wigan the couple are on the same page as other Hampsons/Thompsons (ink splodge) but also on the same page are Cowburns 1881 Class: RG11; Piece: 3772; Folio: 12; Page: 18; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341902. John and Ann Cowburn with children also other Cowburn with Hampson/Thompson.

                    Can someone take a look at it.

                    Edna

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                    • #11
                      Hi Julie,

                      That's the family I've been looking at as well. So it's not just me that's noticed them However, a you say it's not the best fit.

                      The marriage certificate with mother Mary Coleburn brickmaker is confusing me.

                      I wish I could find Mary in 1841 and 1861 and know it is her for definite.

                      I've found this 1861 census with John Coleburn interesting.

                      Class: RG9; Piece: 2648; Folio: 59; Page: 36; GSU roll: 543005

                      He is in Liscard over the water from Liverpool. He appears to be the same age as the one as in the 1841 census. He's got a daughter called Ann who is the same age as Ann in the 1871 census.

                      I think this is the same Colebourne family that end up in Hindley in 1871 with his son Owen.

                      Class: RG10; Piece: 3890; Folio: 24; Page: 44; GSU roll: 842039.

                      Thank you Edna, that is very interesting too. It does look like Hampson to me too. I wonder if there is a connection.


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                      • #12
                        lesley..

                        have you tracked this john/ann family thru the census??

                        sorry... brain drain I see you have already looked at this...
                        Last edited by Darksecretz; 04-09-09, 20:44.
                        Julie
                        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                        .......I find dead people

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                        • #13
                          Julie, I don't think I've found them on every census yet. The change of spelling is a nightmare for me and I don't know if its the same family for certain.

                          I can't remember finding them on 1851, at least I haven't saved the record.


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                          • #14
                            have just found this

                            - Ancestry.co.uk

                            Edna,

                            did you find a marriage for the Hampsons? john n mary that is
                            Julie
                            They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                            .......I find dead people

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                            • #15
                              No I was busy trying to find a link via the census

                              Edna

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                              • #16
                                John Hampson
                                1850
                                Oct-Nov-Dec
                                Wigan
                                Greater Manchester, Lancashire
                                Volume: 21
                                Page: 752

                                There are seveal on the page but one is a Mary Ann Whitley

                                still no connection though

                                Edna

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                                • #17
                                  wonder if Ann got married in Wigan after the 1871 census?

                                  Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1879
                                  Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
                                  COLEBURN Ann LARGE Arthur St. John,Pemberton Wigan & Leigh C22/4/62


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                                  • #18
                                    There is an Ann Large born about 1849 in Liverpool at 133 Warrington Road, Pemberton, on the 1881 census so that could be her marriage.

                                    Class: RG11; Piece: 3779; Folio: 5; Page: 3; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341904.
                                    Last edited by ~~Lesley~~; 04-09-09, 21:30. Reason: for year of census and reference number


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                                    • #19
                                      In all these marriages at Wigan of John Hampson there was a person on the list called Mary
                                      1851 SepQ v21p682
                                      1853 ? v8p7
                                      1860 JunQ v8c p79

                                      Edna

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                                      • #20
                                        Thanks Edna


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