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    Thank you everyone for your help on my other thread with with grandads family. Hopefully get that marriage certificate next week and be able to carry on. In the mean time i want to start work on my grans family. Problem is that her mother was born in 1921 so wont be on ancestry(?)
    this is what i know at the moment



    My gran born in 1940 in a bungalow in Hirwaun, aberdare, mid glamorgan.
    Her mother Beryl Harriet Lloyd married to Thomas John Davies (dont know the date at the moment) Beryl was born in 1921.

    Beryl's mother Phoebe (dont know maiden name) was born in 1894 and was married to a thomas lloyd. I think phoebe had a mother named Harriet but i am not sure of this

    Thomas John Davies had parents names Gwendolyn and John Davies, He could have possibly be thomas john davies aswell although i am unsure of this.

    Where do/could i start my search with this?

  • #2
    It looks as though a Harriet B Lloyd married a Thomas J Davies
    quarter 2, 1939, Vaynor, Breckonshire, volume 11b, page 143.

    Maybe she changed her names round? do you have a marriage certificate for them? It is always best to get it and be certain of their fathers, specially with Welsh names like these - there are so many!

    Anne

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    • #3
      she might have, i will ask my gran if she knows what year they were married and if it matches i will order the marriage certificate

      she was always known as beryl so maybe my gran just thought harriet was the middle name maybe

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      • #4
        No Beryl Harriet but

        Harriet B Lloyd, mmn Jenkins, 1921 Sep Merthyr Tydfyl 11a 1801

        Does the area sound right?

        OC

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        • #5
          Phoebe Jenkins to Thomas Lloyd

          Dec 1915 Merthyr, 11a 1785

          OC

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          • #6
            i just asked my mum and she said yea it could be "harriet beryl lloyd" so my gran must have got mixed up.

            yea they place seems about right, i dont think they were spread far away from hirwaun so that would be it probs

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            • #7
              Can't find Phoebe's birth in 1894, unless she was born outside Wales - is that possible do you think?

              Also a Jenkins marriage to an unknown Harriet has caused Freebmd to have a seizure, sorry!

              OC

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                Can't find Phoebe's birth in 1894, unless she was born outside Wales - is that possible do you think?

                Also a Jenkins marriage to an unknown Harriet has caused Freebmd to have a seizure, sorry!

                OC

                hm, no idea. Maybe i can see if she is on the 1901 census, as it would say where she was born

                thats ok, thank you for helping me

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                • #9
                  could this be her maybe?

                  Name: Phoebe Jenkins
                  Year of Registration: 1892
                  Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
                  District: Merthyr Tydfil
                  County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
                  Volume: 11a
                  Page: 733

                  matches where she was married, 1892 (maye i was out by 2 years?)

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                  • #10
                    I've ordered phoebe's marriage certificate so i will post when i get it

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                    • #11
                      ok so this is where i am at the moment
                      while waiting for phoebe's certificates im searching thomas john davies, as i want to get his birth certificate

                      im searching freebmd and typed in his name, all types, Breconshire, start date dec 1918 to june 1919 as his birth was 13th march 1919

                      this is what i get

                      Births Dec 1918 (98%)
                      Davies Thomas J Jones Merthyr T. 11a 1345

                      Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
                      Davies Thomas J Edwards Merthyr T. 11a 1222
                      Davies Thomas J Rowlands Merthyr T. 11a 1201
                      Davies Thomas J Rees Merthyr T. 11a 1216


                      how do i know which one it is, if any?

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                      • #12
                        Well, the one in 1918 can be discounted as he wasn't born until 1919.

                        The other three in June quarter of 1919 are all possibilities. Edwards, Rowlands and Rees are all the maiden names of the Mothers on these entries. As you know she was called Gwendoline, search for the marriage of her and John Davies, his Father. You will then find out what his Mother's maiden name was and this should fit one of the birth entries you have found.

                        Good luck

                        Pat

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                        • #13
                          Leah

                          I would wait till you get the marriage cert as this will give you the name of Thomas' father, and his (Thomas) age.

                          (You never ACTUALLY know someone's correct birth date until you get their birth cert!)

                          OC
                          Last edited by Olde Crone Holden; 13-08-09, 00:14. Reason: typo

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                          • #14
                            Thomas' father is named as john davies on thomas' marriage certificate (deceased in 1939)

                            I'm trying to find thomas' birth certificate so i can confirm who his parents are, as i dont know when they were born etc.

                            just had another go at searching for thomas
                            his death certificate was registered in pontypridd so i typed that in and got this

                            Births Mar 1919
                            Davies Thomas J Moses Pontypridd 11a 1162

                            name matches and so does the birth date

                            that one is also on ancestry

                            Name: Thomas J Davies
                            Mother's Maiden Surname: Moses
                            Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1919
                            Registration district: Pontypridd
                            Registration county: Wales
                            Volume Number: 11a
                            Page Number: 1156

                            the only other thomas j davies born march quater is this one

                            Name: Thomas J Davies
                            Mother's Maiden Surname: Williams
                            Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1919
                            Registration district: Bridgend
                            Registration county: Wales
                            Volume Number: 11a
                            Page Number: 1460

                            but thats in bridgend


                            a possible marriage

                            Marriages Sep 1916
                            Davies John J. Moses Merthyr T. 11a 1162

                            the brides maiden name being moses, married 2 years before thomas john davies was born in the same area
                            i guess i would confirm that by thomas' birth certificate


                            (sorry im post mad tonight lol)
                            Last edited by scorpioleah; 13-08-09, 00:50.

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                            • #15
                              do you think i should get this birth certificate? i dont have thomas john davies birth certificate and im going to need it to carry on

                              Name: Thomas J Davies
                              Mother's Maiden Surname: Moses
                              Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1919
                              Registration district: Pontypridd
                              Registration county: Wales
                              Volume Number: 11a
                              Page Number: 1156

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                              • #16
                                Leah

                                If you use freebmd to do your searches, you will see that there is no Davies/Moses marriage where the bride's name is Gwen, or anything like it.

                                If you are ABSOLUTELY sure her name was Gwen, then search freebmd marriages using "Davies to Gwen/dolyn" and see where that takes you.

                                OC

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                                • #17
                                  this is harder than it seems! lol

                                  i want to get thomas' birth certificate, as i can then find out her name and maiden name
                                  but i cant find his birth

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                                  • #18
                                    Leah

                                    As I said, if you are absolutely sure her name was Gwendolyn, you need to search the Davies marriages and find a Davies marrying a Gwen/dolyn/line etc.

                                    You need to search for a marriage upto 30 years before his birth because you don't at this stage know where he was placed in the family, he could have been first or last child, or anything inbetween. You also need to search AFTER his birth as well....

                                    It is easiest to do this on Freebmd.

                                    EDIT - Just had a quick look and there are a LOT of Davies/Gwen Williams marriages. Do you know if Thomas John had any siblings?

                                    OC
                                    Last edited by Olde Crone Holden; 13-08-09, 13:21.

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                                    • #19
                                      im not sure, i will ask my gran (as its her father) i will be seeing her in the next hour

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                                      • #20
                                        a younger sister,margert jane davies.

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