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  • help with thomas please

    my cousin in yorkshire says that her aunt had the following certificates in her possession at death, except there seems to be no connection with the ireland/woolven family and our morton branch.

    OK first details of the Ireland/Woollven mystery.
    Birth certificate printed in july 1933 of the birth of Kate Elizabeth on 31st August 1873 at Handcross Slaugham, Cuckfield, Sussex to Oliver Ireland and Anne (nee Woollven). They married by special licence (she was a junior) on 27/08/1862.Oliver was born 1839 and Ann in 1844.

    1881 census -RG11/1063
    Oliver Ireland head aged 42 you will see Kate there with her siblings.

    1891 census - RG12/792
    look for Ann Ireland head aged 50.

    1901 census -RG13/909
    Florence Kate Ireland is living with her grandfather Thomas Morton.
    can anyone trace the above mentioned thomas morton please? i have all the ireland census refs, but dont have them at hand, and cant remember if there were any family members with them. i have to go, but if someone can track thomas, it would be great!

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    RG13 Piece 909, Folio: 53; Page: 13.

    On the 1901 Florence Kate Ireland is 20 and born in Brighton. Someone has also submitted an alternative name of Florence Kate Masten.

    The grandfather is Thomas J Morton age 74, ironmonger b Lewes, Sussex, there is also an unmarried son James Morton aged 33 b Slaugham Sussex

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    • #3
      Back in 1871

      RG10; Piece: 1062; Folio: 29; Page: 19

      He is transcribed as William I Martin, (the "Martin" bit looks correct middle initial may be J or I) at the ironmongers Handcross (parish of Slaugham) he is a schoolmaster and L Ass overseer.


      Thomas I Martin 44
      Mary Martin 43 wife born Cuckfield
      Mary Ann Martin 12 children all born Slaugham
      Kate Jane Martin 10
      William H Martin 8
      Thomas H Martin 6
      James Martin 3
      Betsy Packham 21 sis in law born Bolney

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      • #4
        1861. Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 582; Folio: 160; Page: 1;

        Thomas Isarah Martin 34
        Mary Martin 33
        Mary Ann Martin 2
        Kate Jane Martin 3 Mo

        Thomas was a schoolmaster and Mary a schoolmistress.

        Living in Slaugham

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        • #5
          Florence Kate is possibly the dau of Thomas and Mary's dau Mary Ann.

          Marriages DEC 1880 Brighton

          Mary Ann Martin, and on the same page (2b 414) is Milton Ireland.

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          • #6
            1881. Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1083; Folio: 117; Page: 8;

            Milton, Mary Ann and their dau Florence Kate (age 6 months) living in Brighton.

            Milton and Mary Ann born Slaugham. Florence Kate born Brighton.

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            • #7
              Looks like Milton is the brother of the Oliver you mentioned in your post.

              1861. Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 582; Folio: 166;

              James Ireland 47 Mary Ann Ireland 45 John Ireland 25 Oliver Ireland 23 Mary Ann Ireland 17 Clement Ireland 15 Betsy Ireland 12 Austin Ireland 8 Traton Ireland 6 Horace Ireland 4 Milton Ireland 2

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jill on the A272 View Post
                Back in 1871

                RG10; Piece: 1062; Folio: 29; Page: 19

                Betsy Packham 21 sis in law born Bolney
                Marriages Hackney, Sept 1858 (1b 444)

                Mary Packham and on the same page is a Thomas Josiah Martin

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                • #9
                  so thomas isn't even a morton? he's a martin? wow. thank you for that girls, i still feel we are no closer to understanding why the certs were in the aunts possession though. but thank you for the census details.

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                  • #10
                    Are we allowed to know Aunts name?
                    Jess

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                    • #11
                      she was called dorrie, i forget her real name. her parents were john richard morton b.1866, marylebone, d.1928 and fanny eliza middleton. they married in london, i forget when. john was the son of john morton 1842-1921 and marian vye gadd 1840-1921. maybe this ireland family fits in on the middleton side?

                      john richard is my 2nd great grandfather's brother.

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