The slippery critter....Did he think he would fool me?

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

I've lost a rellie from my tree, someone i thought existed doesn't :(

Based on early census searches i thought i should have had an Alexander Hay and a William Hay in the same family, when i first found the census returns there wasn't anything on freebmd to help....


1881

Registration district: Flegg
Sub registration district: East Flegg
Household Members: Name Age
Addie L. Hay
Alexander Hay 1
Alexander H. Hay 21
Susan Hay 21
Bertha Stone 14

1891

Alexander M Hay 31
Anna Hay 10
George F Hay 8
Susan Hay 31
William Hay 11

Seems the parents split after this census, they appear in two households in different counties from this point on. Following dad and William.......

1901

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
Household schedule number: 244

Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Emmerson 26
Amelia Franklin 77
Alexander Hay 41
William Hay 21
Henry Samuel Imse 27
Elizabeth Keen 19
Amelia L Morgan 53




Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
----------------------------

HAY Alexander Gravesend 2a 1276
MUNDAY Ethel Blanche Gravesend 2a 1276




I searched the 1911 looking for Alexander Hay with an Ethel in the house and found this result, i haven't looked at the transcript but i'm pretty confident it's one household.

HAY ALEC MUIR M 1860 51 West Ham Essex
HAY ALEXANDER MUIR M 1909 2 West Ham Essex
HAY ANNIE LOUISA F 1907 4 West Ham Essex
HAY CHARLES WILLIAM M 1903 8 West Ham Essex
HAY FREDERICK AARON M 1905 6 West Ham Essex
HAY WILLIAM ALEXANDER M 1880 31 West Ham Essex


And now i have found via freebmd a birth ref

Birth reg;
Births Sep 1879 (>99%)
-----------------------
Hay William Alexander Flegg 4b 29





There are at least two trees on Ancestry with the oldest Alexander/Alec listed, i wonder if they have picked up on the name change for William Alexander and if the tree owners could be more rellies of mine too?

[Darksecretz]

good bit of detective work there

I suspect you will have to see if there is a free trial to ancestry to be able to contact them?

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

I used a freebie a while ago Julie, Ancestry already have the card number and it won't accept it again :(


Alexander Muir Hay 1860 Northumberland and Alexander Muir Hay c1879 Norfolk seem to match a few trees.

Also William Alexander Hay 1879 Norfolk appears in a public tree.


I did look for a Frederick Aaron Hay born 1905 as listed in the 1911 but there doesn't appear to be one in a tree, shame really as it's probably unusual and far easier to spot than the usual Hay family names.

Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
--------------------------

Hay Frederick Aaron C Biggleswade 3b 337

[jackdaw]

Hi Glen if you send me details I will contact them later on for you and ask them to contact you
Will also look at their trees if they are public and find out more details for you

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Mmmm

Just re-registered with GR and there is a tree with Frederick Hay 1905, Biggleswade.

None of the siblings or a parent coming up for that same tree owner though. looks like someone picked him up as a side branch somewhere and didn't pursue things.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Hi Glen if you send me details I will contact them later on for you and ask them to contact you
Will also look at their trees if they are public and find out more details for you

Thanks jackdaw, have sent you a pm.

[WendyP]

HI Glen


the info on the 1911 is as follows

William Alexander Hay 31 bn Gt Yarmouth Occ Railway Porter
Ethel Amelia Hay 30 bn GT Yarmouth ( they've been married 9 years)
Alec Muir Hay 50 married bn GT Yarmouth Occ Contractors Foreman
Charles William Hay 8 bn St Lukes E C
Frederick Aaron 6 Hay bn (Arseley) Bedfordshire
Anne Louisa Hay 4 bn """
Alexander Muir hay 2 """"



Just incase it helps I'm only going on someones else transcript for the above info so I'm not sure where in BED's the younger chldren were born



As you will see from the full name entry on Ethel Amelia Hay not having a middle name of Blanche as you first suspected in the first search for a marriage of William to an Ethel but I think that William actually married in Dec 1901 to Ethel Amelia Gibbs in Holborn.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Thanks Wendy

I had missed the reply so your pm was handy.

I wonder why they suddenly start putting Yarmouth down as pob?


Hendon would make more sense as the place of marriage thanks to the 1903 birth and the fact he was in Bow just prior to the marriage, (though Gravesend does figure in my Hay family at about the time, i probably looked for post 1901 marriages);

Births Jun 1903
----------------------

HAY Charles William Holborn 1b 698



Interestingly one of the Ancestry trees shows Alexander Muir Hay b 1879 Runham , England - d 1953 Arlesey, England, quite what research and sources the tree owner has i'm not sure. I'm hoping they may get back to me but i fear it's a sidebranch or long lapsed Ancestry user knowing my luck.

[WendyP]

Hi Glen

Death

Apr - Jun 1953
1b 117
Hitchin

William A Hay

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Thankyou Wendy

It's strange seeing the name as William A Hay after all the chasing around, especially as he had an uncle with the same initials (different name and fortunately i have that chap fully sorted).

[Christine in Herts]

If there's a Herts connection, it may be worth a look here: hertsdirect.org Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies

Christine

[Uncle John]

Frederick Aaron 6 Hay bn (Arseley) Bedfordshire
Anne Louisa Hay 4 bn """
Alexander Muir hay 2 """"

What an unfortunate transposition. The correct spelling is Arlesey.

[Glen in Tinsel Knickers]

Mmmm

Looks like i will have to dig around a bit to get to the bottom of it all.