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  • The Winner of Who Do We Think You Are 25th June is.....

    Carl Stacey

    Well done i hope you get some brick walls broken down.
    Jen

  • #2
    Wow, thanks FTF!

    Am really new to genealogy, but am getting quite addicted :-) If its not too much to ask, I would like help getting info on my Mothers side. (Oates/Parkes)

    My Grandfather - Garfield Oates, Born 07 mar 1910 Died 01 mar 1968
    My G Grandfather - Jack Oates Born ?? (stone mason)

    My Grandmother - Alice Parkes Born Around 1912
    My G Grandfather - Isaich Parkes Born ?? (iron worker)

    They were married in Birmingham on 19/11/1931. I think my Granfather (Oates) was born in Cornwall.

    Thanks for all the help!
    Last edited by Carl Stacey; 26-06-09, 07:46.

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    • #3
      Welcome to FTF, Carl, and I hope we can help you a lot.

      First, some questions:

      Do you have your grandfather Oate's birth certificate from 1910?
      Have you found the Oates family on any censuses?
      Do you know when Jack Oates married?

      For the record, this is Garfield Oates' birth record:

      Mar 1910
      OATES Garfield Penzance 5c 21_
      Elizabeth
      Research Interests:
      England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
      Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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      • #4
        Re: Garfield Oates

        There is a birth registration for Garfield Oates on freeBMD
        Births Mar 1910
        OATES Garfield
        Penzance volume 5c page 21?? (page number needs to be checked against images)

        This seems to tie in with the date of birth you have got.

        The 1911 census shows that the following Oates family can be found in one household:

        OATES JOHN c1874
        OATES MINNIE c1875
        OATES BEATRICE MAY c1896
        OATES SIDNEY c1907
        OATES THOMAS JOHN c1897
        OATES GARFIELD M c1910

        1911 Census website
        Elaine







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        • #5
          I have found them in 1911 but haven't viewed the census image:

          Beatrice May Oates 15
          John Oates 37
          Minnie Oates 36
          Sidney Oates 4
          Thomas John Oates 14
          Garfield Oates 13 months

          So Jack Oates is really John Oates, and his wife is Minnie according to this.
          I assume this is all one family.
          Elizabeth
          Research Interests:
          England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
          Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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          • #6
            Snap, Elaine!
            Elizabeth
            Research Interests:
            England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
            Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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            • #7
              In 1901 john and Minnie are in Bristol

              - Ancestry.co.uk

              John Oates 26
              Minnie Oates 25
              Thomas J Oates 3
              Sue

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              • #8
                Beatrice is with her grandparents in 1901.

                RG number:
                RG13 Piece:
                2257 Folio:
                68 Page:
                16

                Registration District:
                Penzance Sub District:
                St Just in Penwith EnumerationDistrict:
                8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
                St Just



                John Oates married
                Mary Jane Reynolds

                Jun 1895 Penzance 5c 387
                Elizabeth
                Research Interests:
                England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                • #9
                  So it looks as though Minnie is Mary Jane.

                  Her family:

                  Thomas Reynolds c. 1852 Ag. lab.
                  Mary J Reynolds c. 1853
                  Thomas E Reynolds b. c. 1881
                  Philippa Reynolds c. 1885
                  Beatrice E c. 1889
                  Elizabeth
                  Research Interests:
                  England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                  Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Elizabeth Herts View Post

                    John Oates married
                    Mary Jane Reynolds

                    Jun 1895 Penzance 5c 387
                    There is a John Oats with spouse Mary in the 1901 census, living in the Penzance registration district - so may not be the right one.

                    Carl - you really need the birth certificate of Garfield which will give you his mother's maiden name.

                    EDIT: Sorry - I see Beatrice is with her Reynolds grandparents in 1901. - although I would still advise you get the birth certificate.
                    Elaine







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                    • #11
                      There are three John Oates marriages in Penzance in the 1890s - it could be any of those. Definitely need the birth cert!
                      Sue

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                      • #12
                        Yes, I'm not concvinced I have the right one!

                        It was seeing Beatrice with Reynolds grandparents which made be think it was the marriage. Still looking for supporting evidence.
                        Elizabeth
                        Research Interests:
                        England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                        Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                        • #13
                          Do you have the marriage certificate for Garfield and Alice?
                          If so who were the witnesses - we need something more to help identify Alice!
                          Elaine







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                          • #14
                            There's a WW1 Pension record for John Oates, stonemason of Penzance

                            - Ancestry.co.uk

                            This is just the bit that gives details - unfortunately wife named as Mrs Oates!

                            Edit - later pages name children as Sidney and Garfield! (Garfield's dob 7/3/1910)
                            Last edited by Sue from Southend; 26-06-09, 08:19.
                            Sue

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                            • #15
                              The only birth for Beatrice May Oates that I can find is :

                              Dec 1897
                              Oates Beatrice May Holborn 1b 717


                              However, there is one for

                              Beatrice Mary Oates
                              Oates Beatrice Mary Truro 5c 137
                              Dec 1893
                              Elizabeth
                              Research Interests:
                              England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                              Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                              • #16
                                Someone has a tree with a Garfield Oates on it.

                                OATES, William John & ROWE, Elizabeth Trewhella

                                However, the information doesn't seem to tie up with what we have.

                                Garfield and Sidney Oates are given as children of William John and Elizabeth Oates, so looks odd!
                                Elizabeth
                                Research Interests:
                                England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                                Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Elizabeth Herts View Post
                                  Someone has a tree with a Garfield Oates on it.

                                  OATES, William John & ROWE, Elizabeth Trewhella

                                  However, the information doesn't seem to tie up with what we have.

                                  Garfield and Sidney Oates are given as children of William John and Elizabeth Oates, so looks odd!
                                  There is another Garfield Oates born in Cornwall, c1895
                                  RG13; Piece: 527; Folio: 45; Page: 19 - so could be him.

                                  .. although a bit strange as the children's name match!
                                  Elaine







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                                  • #18
                                    I've found Beatrice Mary OATS Sep 1898, Penzance, 5c, 250


                                    I need to get my eyes tested Ithought we were looking for Beatrice MARY but it's Beatrice MAY:o
                                    Last edited by Sue from Southend; 26-06-09, 12:59. Reason: admitting to stupidity!
                                    Sue

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                                    • #19
                                      There is a birth for

                                      John Oates
                                      Mar 1876
                                      Penzance 5c 302

                                      He is a twin:
                                      Walter Oates
                                      same ref.

                                      They are on the 1881 Census:
                                      Enable Cookies - Ancestry.co.uk

                                      The father is Thomas John Oates, a mariner, and the mother Susan. Both born in Penzance.

                                      Off for my shower now!
                                      Elizabeth
                                      Research Interests:
                                      England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                                      Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Elizabeth Herts View Post
                                        freeBMD shows that they married in 1905
                                        Marriages Mar 1905
                                        Oates William John
                                        Rowe Elizabeth Trewhella
                                        Helston 5c 291
                                        Elaine







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