I'm trying to help a friend with her tree

[Chrissy Confused]

Haven't got a lot to go on but this is what I have so far

Alfred Jesse Courtnage b Dec 1887 Alton, Hampshire, married Cicelia Louisa Wells 17 Nov 1910 Watford Herts, had 8 children, but only have death dates for 3
Robert Alfred b Jun 1915, Watford Herts d Jun 1998 Watford
William Richard b Mar 1921, Watford Herts d Feb 1986 Watford
Frederick Thomas b Dec 1923, Watford Herts d May 1994 Watford.

Alfred was born out of wedlock, but his parents went to marry Sep 1890, but in 1891 he was with his grandparents the night of the census RG12/952/125/13, but can't find him in any other census.

Have to pop out for 10 mins but will put the rest up when I get back.

Thanks

[Elaine ..Spain]

1901 census - listed as Jesse Courtungs - still with his grandparents, Henry & Charlott

RG13; Piece: 1100; Folio: 88; Page: 3.
- Ancestry.co.uk

[Chrissy Confused]

Thank you Elaine, cant see info on census as I no longer sub to Ancestry

[Chrissy Confused]

Alfred's mother went on to marry Job Matthews (not sure if this was his father but guessing not as he with grandparents in 1891 and 1901), alfred mother was
Alice Laura Courtnage b abt 1870/1 Headley Hampshire, she had 2 brothers that I know of
Henry b abt 1863 Headley
Frederick b abt 1866 Headley, their parents were Henry Courtnage and Charlott ?, can find no details of this couple, any help will be gratefully recieved.

Possible parents for Henry are Charles b abt 1811 and Louisa abt 1810 possibly Hampshire.

[Christine in Herts]

Using the 1911 index only (i.e. not calling up images), they have an 8-mth-old daughter, Rose, and he's calling himself Jesse. Cecelia is aged 22.

Have you looked at the Headley websites? http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/headley/register.htm

http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/headley/index.htm

(still looking for the actual page I meant)

Found it! http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/baptisms/baptisms.htm
There are links from that page to marriages and burials.

Christine

[Chrissy Confused]

Could some kind person have a look on Ancestry for me, as I have a hint for Henry Courtnage for the 1851 census b abt 1840 Hampshire (Headley) thanks

[Chrissy Confused]

Using the 1911 index only (i.e. not calling up images), they have an 8-mth-old daughter, Rose, and he's calling himself Jesse. Cecelia is aged 22.

Have you looked at the Headley websites? Headley, Hampshire - Church Registers
Headley, near Bordon Hampshire - home page for historical information
(still looking for the actual page I meant)

Christine

Thanks Christine, it does sound like the right family (their eldest was a daughter called rose)

[Christine in Herts]

Try this page!

http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/baptisms/bap18131901/bapt-C.htm

They also have burials on two sets of pages, but they haven't transcribed the marriages so late, yet.

Christine

[Chrissy Confused]

Try this page!

http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/baptisms/bap18131901/bapt-C.htm

They also have burials on two sets of pages, but they haven't transcribed the marriages so late, yet.

Christine

Thanks again Christine, gonna take a while to go though that lot

[Christine in Herts]

Chrissy... Will your friend want Cecilia followed up, too?

I made a couple of PoB guesses on the 1911: "Watford" doesn't work, but "Bushey" does. I might have time on Thursday afternoon to nip into the Local Studies section of Bushey Museum and get a copy (or at least a transcription) of her baptism and marriage, if they both happened at St James's (Bushey Parish Church).

Christine

[Elaine ..Spain]

1901 census - listed as Jesse Courtungs - still with his grandparents, Henry & Charlott

RG13; Piece: 1100; Folio: 88; Page: 3.
- Ancestry.co.uk

Household:
Charlott Courtungs c1840 Climping, Sussex
Henry Courtungs c1841 Headley, Hampshire - occ. Ag.Lab
Jesse Courtungs c1888 Headley, Hampshire - Grandson - occ. Ag.Lab
Henry Fifield c1881 Headley, Hampshire - boarder- occ. Ag.Lab
William Harling c 1849 Twyford - boarder - occ. Ag.Lab
Thomas Chandler c 1878 Headley, Hampshire - boarder - occ. Ag.Lab

living Headley, Hampshire.

[Elaine ..Spain]

1871 census
Henry Courtriage 30
Charlotte Courtriage 30
Henry Courtriage 8
Fredk Courtriage 5
Alice Courtriage 1 month

- all born Headley, apart from Charlotte who was born Chichester, Sussex

RG10; Piece: 1228; Folio: 78; Page: 18

1881 census
Henry Courtnage 39
Charlotte Courtnage 39
Henry Courtnage 18
Fredrick Courtnage 15
Alice Courtnage 10

RG11; Piece: 1248; Folio: 54; Page: 17

1891 census
Henry Courtenage 51
Charlott Courtenage 51
Alfred J Courtenage 3

RG12; Piece: 952; Folio 125; Page 13

[Elaine ..Spain]

1851 census
Charles Courtnace 38 - occ Ag.lab
Leacy Courtnace 43
Elizabeth Courtnage 20
Sarah Courtnage 18
Mary Courtnage 17
Henry Courtnage 10
Charles Courtnage 7
Daniel Courtnage 5
Ann Courtnage 3
Frederick Courtnage 1

- all born Headley

HO107; Piece: 1596; Folio: 248; Page: 12

1861 census
Charles Courtnage 50
Louisa Courtnage 51
Henry Courtnage 19
Charles Courtnage 17
Daniel Courtnage 14
Ann Courtnage 12
Harriot Courtnage 8

RG9; Piece: 436; Folio: 79; Page: 15

[Elaine ..Spain]

1841 census
Charles Cortnage 25
Lucy Cortnage 30
Mary Cortnage 3
A M Child 3weeks

HO107; Piece 382; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Headley; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 11; Page: 16; Line: 6

[Chrissy Confused]

Chrissy... Will your friend want Cecilia followed up, too?

I made a couple of PoB guesses on the 1911: "Watford" doesn't work, but "Bushey" does. I might have time on Thursday afternoon to nip into the Local Studies section of Bushey Museum and get a copy (or at least a transcription) of her baptism and marriage, if they both happened at St James's (Bushey Parish Church).

Christine

That would be great if you could, I will pay for any costed incurred

[Christine in Herts]

That would be great if you could, I will pay for any costed incurred

You have an exact date for the marriage, though. Does that mean there's a certificate in hand already? I won't get any more info than a cert already has - unless I'm allowed to take a photo of the entry. If there's a cert in hand, what's Cecilia's father's name? there are a couple of families in the area who fit the place/date info - but no sign of a Cecilia in the censuses - or in the Birth Registrations, as far as I can see.

As for costs - if I do find anything, I don't think there's a fee, tho' Bushey Museum might appreciate a donation.
Bushey Museum Home page
This is the specific bit: http://www.busheymuseum.org/localstudies.php

Christine

[Elaine ..Spain]

Looks as if some of the early baptisms are on the IGI

MARY COURTNAGE
Christening: 12 NOV 1837 Headley, Hampshire
CHARLES COURTNAGE
Christening: 28 JAN 1844 Headley, Hampshire
DANIEL COURTNAGE
Christening: 07 JUN 1846 Headley, Hampshire
HENRY COURTNAGE
Christening: 27 JUN 1841 Headley, Hampshire
HARRIET COURTNAGE
Christening: 23 MAY 1852 Headley, Hampshire
ANNE COURTNAGE
Christening: 08 OCT 1848 Headley, Hampshire

parents Charles & Lucy

[Chrissy Confused]

You have an exact date for the marriage, though. Does that mean there's a certificate in hand already? I won't get any more info than a cert already has - unless I'm allowed to take a photo of the entry. If there's a cert in hand, what's Cecilia's father's name? there are a couple of families in the area who fit the place/date info - but no sign of a Cecilia in the censuses - or in the Birth Registrations, as far as I can see.

As for costs - if I do find anything, I don't think there's a fee, tho' Bushey Museum might appreciate a donation.
Bushey Museum Home page
This is the specific bit: Local Studies Centre

Christine

I have a date of 17 Nov 1910, Watford Herts for the marriage and no she has not got any cert as yet, I have a date for Cicelia birth of 28 July 1890 Bushey Herts and fathers name as David Benjamn Wells

[Christine in Herts]

Here they are! Don't know why I couldn't find them before.

RG13; Piece: 1314; Folio: 60; Page: 9

And now you see where "Rose" comes from!

OK - They're in St Peter's, but the Museum has copies of those, too.

Christine

[Elaine ..Spain]

1901 census

David Wells 44 - occupation carman
Rosa Wells 42
Lily Wells 19
James Wells 16
Cecelia Wells 10 - born Bushey
David Wells 7
Alfred Wells 5
Florence Wells 3

RG13; Piece: 1314; Folio: 60; Page: 9.

all born Bushey, apart from Rosa who was born Gaddasden Row, Hertfordshire,

Do you want to go back on this line as well Chrissy?