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    I am looking for a Uncle & Aunt Frederick W Tinsley and wife Mary, they should be in Southwark, They were the Pearly King & Queen.
    I cannot find a Birth,Marriage or Death for them

  • #2
    Hi James

    not found them yet in 1911, but is this one of their offspring?


    Name: Edward Frederick W Tinsley
    Birth: Mar 1904 - Barnet, Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex

    When / where were Fredk W and Mary born?
    Last edited by LeicestershireLass; 14-06-09, 20:42.
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    • #3
      Do you have any idea of when and where they were born?
      Elaine







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      • #4
        Is this him?

        Births Sep 1894 Shoreditch
        TINSLEY Frederick William 1c 47
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        • #5
          Marriage?

          Marriages Jun 1916 Hackney
          Tinsley Frederick W m Morey Hills 1b 1017

          If you take a look at the image on freeBMD it looks like it could be Marey
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          • #6
            How about this one? On the page it looks like Marey.

            Marriages Jun 1916
            Hills Morey Tinsley Hackney 1b 1017
            Tinsley Frederick W Hills Hackney 1b 1017
            Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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            • #7
              Oops - snap - I took too long pressing send :D
              Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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              • #8
                great minds think alike Chrissie

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                • #9
                  Mary's Surname was Ramswell she was born I believe in Southwark

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by James View Post
                    I am looking for a Uncle & Aunt Frederick W Tinsley and wife Mary, they should be in Southwark, They were the Pearly King & Queen.
                    Here they are ...

                    List of all known Pearlies

                    unfortunately there's no last known address for them or any indication of when they were alive :(
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                    • #11
                      Urika!!!!

                      http://www.genuinelondonpearlykingsa....uk/index.html .... this page contains an image of Fred and Mary in their pearly outfits

                      http://www.genuinelondonpearlykingsa...NGJIMS PROFILE

                      In 1911 Fred Tinsley was Crowned Pearly King of Southwark ...

                      Fred was still alive in 1952 (Illustrated London News )

                      http://www.iln.org.uk/iln_years/year/1952c.htm

                      he was still alive in 1963

                      http://www.eons.com/photos/group/eng...aken_at_300012

                      Fred died in 1967

                      http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...8CD85F438685F9

                      Last edited by LeicestershireLass; 15-06-09, 08:56.
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                      • #12
                        It seems strange they are not in the census as they where entered in the Pearly Kings and Queen Association in 1911.

                        Fred's occupation was as a chimney sweep.

                        I believe they died about 1967/8
                        Last edited by James; 15-06-09, 08:57.

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                        • #13
                          Found it

                          Frederick W Tinsley died Q3 1967 aged 73 (= born c1894) Southwark .. Vol 5E Page 2

                          so it looks as if the birth for Fredk W I found yesterday may be the right one

                          Have you found them in 1901?
                          Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 270; Folio: 38; Page: 8.
                          Last edited by LeicestershireLass; 15-06-09, 09:10.
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                          • #14
                            Going on info from 1901 census - have you looked at this one?

                            Schedule type Last names First names Birth year Age District
                            HOUSEHOLD TINGEY SARAH ANN 1852 59 Hackney London

                            According to my search there's a 'Fred' living at the same address, but not Henry

                            However when I searched for Fred b1894 (+names starting with TIN) I didn't get the same result ???

                            gotta go now ... will check back later to see if any success
                            Last edited by LeicestershireLass; 15-06-09, 09:37.
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                            • #15
                              Hi Leicestershirelass
                              I am begging to wonder if they either did not marry or married abroad
                              They have two sons Frederick Patrick Tinsley in March Q 1922 and William in March Q 1924. Both with Ramswell as mothers name.

                              William appears to have been mistranslated in June Q 1919 probably a wrong page no. Patrick was killed in WW2 1943 in Italy

                              There is an odd coincidence with both boys

                              March Q 1922
                              Frederick Patrick Tinsley & Frederick P McGoven Both mothers Ramswell, Both have the same reg. No. Southwark 1d 211.

                              March Q 1924
                              William Tinsley & William McGoven Both mothers Ramswell, Both have the same reg. No. Southwark 1d 70

                              Mary McGoven (Ramswell) Married 1912 to William McGoven

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                              • #16
                                As Fredk W Tinsley (Uncle Fred) + Mary are mentioned on pearlykingjim's website he may be able to answer some of your questions - bless him he even gives his email addy; pearlykingjim@yahoo.co.uk

                                maybe Fredk was Mary's second husband ??
                                it may also be worth contacting 'Southwark' Registry Office to try and find solve the Tinsley/McGoven mystery
                                Last edited by LeicestershireLass; 15-06-09, 16:28.
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                                • #17
                                  Yes I have already contacted that site and awaiting an answer it would be interesting to know who his mum was to Mary

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                                  • #18
                                    Hi again James!

                                    Following from your other thread that I replied to today, it reminded me of this. William McGovern and Mary Ramswell had a daughter Mary Elizabeth Susan McGovern, born 1914 in Lambeth:

                                    Births Mar 1914
                                    MCGOVERN Mary E S Ramswell Lambeth 1d 482

                                    She is listed on William's pension records as their daughter. So could this be the Mary who married Frederick Tinsley in 1939? (i.e. it was her mother's name that was Ramswell, not hers!):

                                    Name: Mary E McGovern
                                    Name: Frederick W Tinsley
                                    Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1939
                                    Registration district: Southwark
                                    Volume Number: 1d
                                    Page Number: 127


                                    ... or, on the other hand - maybe this is in fact the marriage that you're looking for, i.e. maybe they waited until 1939 until Mary Ramswell's 1st husband William had died?
                                    Last edited by Richard in Perth; 07-07-09, 06:01.

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