Wrong Ref Number on FREEBMD?

[James]

Looking at the marriage of Sarah Courtnall the ref given is Berkhampstead 3a 1150a they is no corresponding grooms, when you try to call up the page it says invalid image, could someone have a look on a different data base? please

[WendyPusey]

I've just managed to get the image up James.

[Cloggie]

I've just checked the image on FreeBMD and it also shows Berkhampstead 3a 1150a.

[WendyPusey]

If you put in 3a 1150 you will get one bride and two groomes. Could these be the ones you are after?

[James]

I just tried again, but no joy I am wondering if the ref. no is correct for the location

[WendyPusey]

Sep 1897

Birch Rosa Minnie Berkhampstead 3a 1150
Emery Alfred Berkhampstead 3a 1150
Willmore Albert Berkhampstead 3a 1150

[James]

I can only get one person - Sarah Courtnall on FREEBMD ref given is 3a 1150a
I cannot view the scan of either 3a 1150 or 3a 1150a

[Richard in Perth]

On the 1901 census there are an Albert & Rosa Willmore living in the Berkhampstead district, and an Alfred & Sarah Emery in the same district. So I would say that your Sarah Courtnall married Alfred Emery and for some reason the page number on the index is incorrect for her entry.

Richard

Edit: Sarah's mother is living with them in 1901 - she is a Courtnall, so I'm right (Ancestry have her mistranscribed as Cornwall, but check the image!)

[Richard in Perth]

Also these Emery births on FreeBMD with mmn=Courtnall:

Births Jun 1912
Emery Catherine Courtnall Berkhampstead 3a 1764
Emery Stanley Courtnall Berkhampstead 3a 1762

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Births Sep 1913
Emery Sidney G Courtnall Berkhamsted 3a 1787

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Births Mar 1917
Emery Gladys V Courtnall Berkhamstead 3a 1425

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Births Jun 1921
Emery Dennis S Courtnall Berkhampstead 3a 1695

[James]

Thank you Richard, I wonder if you could give me the name of her mother please? thanking you

[James]

Thank you Black Widow, on freebmd she is shown in 1897 as on 3a 1150a which I think is wrong it should be 3a 1150
What I am interested in, is Richard looked on the 1901 and found match with Emery/Courtnall and also shown as living with them another female Courtnall, I was wondering who she was, as Sarah's mother Emma died in 1880 aged 39.

[Richard in Perth]

Hi again James

The 1901 census entry is as follows (the Ancestry transcription is wrong - has her as Sarah Cornwall, "father-in-law" !!!)

4 George St, Northchurch, Hertford
Alfred Emery, head, M, 24, bricklayer, Berkhampstead
Sarah Emery, wife, M, 24, Berkhampstead
Eliza Emery, dau, S, 3, Berkhampstead
Florence Emery, dau, S, 2, Berkhampstead
Edith Emery, dau, S, 1, Berkhampstead
Sarah Courtnall, m-in-law, W, 59, Water End

So maybe this is not the right family for you? (in which case, probably not the right marriage either).

Richard

[kylejustin]

unless sarah emery still had a father, who remarried?

[James]

Thank you Richard & Kylejustin
It is the correct family.

James Courtnall was widowed in 1880 when Emma died in child birth, In the 1881 census he has several young children one who for some reason is away from home and is at the Shelton's and marked as a daughter of the Shelton's.
So Kylejustin you are right that James remarried, he died in Dec 1889 which would make Sarah Courtnall M.I.L a widow.
It also clears up the suspicious gap from marriage to the first births.

Thank all who have helped.

[James]

Hi All, have found a marriage of James Courtnell to Susan George Sept 1881 Berkhampstead 3a 655,
In the 1881 census Sarah is living with the Pooley's in Charles Street, Berkhampstead as a unmarried niece aged 39.

[kylejustin]

so sarah/susan, was the niece of the man she married? freaky.

[James]

Hi Kylejustin no she was not related to James, she was a niece of William Pooley

[kylejustin]

sorry, its 3.00 in the morning here. i should run off to bed, and deal with this blasted cold!!

[James]

My word you are a night owl!! thanks for your help