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**Gwen@coggiecorner** · 28-05-09, 17:45

do you know roughly when she died or how old she was? also have you looked on the 1911 census to check the ages of the children and was your uncle the youngest?

**Darksecretz** · 28-05-09, 17:59

just a few questions,

do you have her on the 1911 census?? and do you know where and when the last child was born.

I presume that they are in Nottm in 1901?

1901 for ref

Search

http://content.ancestry.co.uk/browse/view.aspx?dbid=7814&iid=NTTRG13_3177_3180-0326&pid=18665575&ssrc=&fn=Helen+Jane&ln=Thomson&st=g

**Darksecretz** · 28-05-09, 18:12

Right,

there is a Helen Thomson on the 1911 with a William living with her, gives her YOB as 1879 and is in Nottm, in the search criteria it doesn't state whether born in london or not.

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 18:42

Hi

Here is the 1911 print out summary

Thomson
William Married M 34 Traveller retail beer trade Notts Newark

Thomson
Helen M 11F 32 London Borough

Thomson
Annie Daughter F 9 Nottingham

Thomson
Edward Son M 7 Nottingham

As far as I know William Jnr was born in 1915 and there were no other children. My Mum doesn't have a clue when she died, as by the time she came on the scene her FiL was widower.

The print out I found that I assume is my grandmother is:

Helen Brown Thomson
1878
Jul Aug Sept
Poplar
Greater London
1c
734 - would this be sufficient for the GRO to give me a certificate?

**Darksecretz** · 28-05-09, 18:47

ok so when did your mum come on the scene?? this will give us a window, to work with.

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 18:49

My parents got married in 1950, so she would have died before then.

**KiteRunner** · 28-05-09, 18:50

The birth details you have posted up don't seem to match the info in your first post - was her name Thomson before she married a Thomson, or should her name be Helen Jane Brown on the birth entry?

**Darksecretz** · 28-05-09, 18:50

Originally posted by LorraineJ View Post

Hi

The print out I found that I assume is my grandmother is:

Helen Brown Thomson
1878
Jul Aug Sept
Poplar
Greater London
1c
734 - would this be sufficient for the GRO to give me a certificate?

I cannot see this as being her, tbh, if this is her birth why would she have Thomson as her maiden name??

sorry to put a damper on things :o

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 18:53

Originally posted by KiteRunner View Post

The birth details you have posted up don't seem to match the info in your first post - was her name Thomson before she married a Thomson, or should her name be Helen Jane Brown on the birth entry?

No she was a Helen J Brown, daughter of Enoch & Annie Brown. Sorry to have confused you.

**Darksecretz** · 28-05-09, 18:55

Helen Jane Brown
Yr: 1879
Q: Apr-May-Jun
Dist: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Vol: 1c
Pg: 41

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 18:55

Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post

I cannot see this as being her, tbh, if this is her birth why would she have Thomson as her maiden name??

sorry to put a damper on things :o

She was definitely born Helen Jane Brown and married a William Charles Thomson. Edward was my father and was known to most people as Richard (work that one out)

**Darksecretz** · 28-05-09, 19:03

Originally posted by LorraineJ View Post

She was definitely born Helen Jane Brown and married a William Charles Thomson. Edward was my father and was known to most people as Richard (work that one out)

Sorry am confused now, you said

"The print out I found that I assume is my grandmother is:

Helen Brown Thomson
1878
Jul Aug Sept
Poplar
Greater London
1c
734 - would this be sufficient for the GRO to give me a certificate?

I was replying that the ref above couldnt be your gran because of the names

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 19:09

I get confused quite easily, all by myself

Have taken note of your reference as I think thats the one I need to get the birth certificate. Would you be kind enough to double check the marriage one for me, as I can't afford anymore mistakes?

If you can find her death too, that would be wonderful.

**KiteRunner** · 28-05-09, 19:15

The trouble is with looking for the death, that there are so many years you would have to trawl through.

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 19:21

May sound a stupid question but I was looking for Helen J/Jane Thomson and have looked right through to the indexes for Thompson too, just incase the P has been popped in. Is this right.

Should I look onwards from where the later deaths start as I have looked through the BMDs without success.

**tugman** · 28-05-09, 19:45

Helen Jane Thomson

Hiya
What part of Nottingham did your grandparents live in.
Hopefully she is buried in one of these two below.
When did your grandfather die, is she buried near by him?

The Church Cemetery was first opened in 1856 and is referred to as The Rock Cemetery by local people because of the sandstone rocks and caves on which it is built. It is considered to be by far the most attractive cemetery. Situated on the junction of Forest Road and Mansfield Road, the cemetery adjoins the Forest Recreation Ground which once formed the start of the great Sherwood Forest of the Robin Hood tales. The cemetery itself covers about 13 acres of land and the entrance is about a mile from the city centre, on the main Mansfield Road, just opposite St. Andrew's Church.

Other Cemetery
1900 October 1st
Public Parks and Burial Grounds Committee submit plans for the new Cemetery at Bulwell in Hempshill Lane. Cost of layout and buildings estimated at £12,000. Agreed

[The Cemetery on Hempshill Lane, Bulwell is known as the Northern Cemetery and was opened in 1903. The cemetery gates, offices and improvements to Hempshill Lane cost £10,130]

If you contact Nottingham city council i wonder if like other places they have the record of a burial plot for Helen Jane Thomson.

I think your best bet is this site below:
NOTTINGHAM

The only other one i have come up with but born about 1875.
Deaths Sep 1931
Thomson Helen J 56 Carlisle 10b 518
Next: Why do you think she died in/around 1920's. If last child born 1915 & she died 1923, then he was only 8 yrs of age. In those days most Widower/widow remarried because they needed children to be looked after.
I would look towards 1930's-40.
Will keep looking for you.
All the best
tugman

**Darksecretz** · 28-05-09, 19:48

Originally posted by LorraineJ View Post

May sound a stupid question but I was looking for Helen J/Jane Thomson and have looked right through to the indexes for Thompson too, just incase the P has been popped in. Is this right.

Should I look onwards from where the later deaths start as I have looked through the BMDs without success.

Thats the correct way to look with Thomson and Thompson in the deaths.

did you try Tomson? and did you check for a re marriage? (she might have re married, and he said she was dead and he was saving face)?

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 21:09

Originally posted by tugman View Post

Hiya
What part of Nottingham did your grandparents live in.
Hopefully she is buried in one of these two below.
When did your grandfather die, is she buried near by him?

The Church Cemetery was first opened in 1856 and is referred to as The Rock Cemetery by local people because of the sandstone rocks and caves on which it is built. It is considered to be by far the most attractive cemetery. Situated on the junction of Forest Road and Mansfield Road, the cemetery adjoins the Forest Recreation Ground which once formed the start of the great Sherwood Forest of the Robin Hood tales. The cemetery itself covers about 13 acres of land and the entrance is about a mile from the city centre, on the main Mansfield Road, just opposite St. Andrew's Church.

Other Cemetery
1900 October 1st
Public Parks and Burial Grounds Committee submit plans for the new Cemetery at Bulwell in Hempshill Lane. Cost of layout and buildings estimated at £12,000. Agreed

[The Cemetery on Hempshill Lane, Bulwell is known as the Northern Cemetery and was opened in 1903. The cemetery gates, offices and improvements to Hempshill Lane cost £10,130]

If you contact Nottingham city council i wonder if like other places they have the record of a burial plot for Helen Jane Thomson.

I think your best bet is this site below:
NOTTINGHAM

The only other one i have come up with but born about 1875.
Deaths Sep 1931
Thomson Helen J 56 Carlisle 10b 518
Next: Why do you think she died in/around 1920's. If last child born 1915 & she died 1923, then he was only 8 yrs of age. In those days most Widower/widow remarried because they needed children to be looked after.
I would look towards 1930's-40.
Will keep looking for you.
All the best
tugman

Hi

In 1911 they were living at 108 Sycamore Road, Nottingham.

Thing is, my Dad was a bit wild as a boy and therefore told the rest of the family very little. I gather that when he was 14, his parents couldn't do a thing with him and sent him to live with a family that managed a childrens home. He made a good friendship with the couple's son, trusted him, they went into business together and the ***** fleeced him out of every penny my Dad had.

**LorraineJ** · 28-05-09, 21:23

And we have BINGO I think

I have found a Helen J Thomson who died registered in Nottingham 1949 - Apr/May/Jun 3c 375

Do you think this is her, certainly the age works out right date wise. Bit of a surprise her dying so late.

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