Marriage hunt

[claretaylor22]

As the Welsh census is delayed:( I'm trying to find a marriage between Joseph Brailli and Sofia Stefano I was hoping the Census would help. This is them in 1871

- Ancestry.co.uk

So they should have married in about 1861 (this is OH mother's family and want to surprise her with it!)

[Elaine ..Spain]

Not sure if you have them in 1861 - but they seem to be married by then.

- Ancestry.co.uk
RG9; Piece: 4037; Folio: 44; Page: 25

[claretaylor22]

No I don't Thank you. (as always!) Appears to confirm "myth" she was young when she married

[Elaine ..Spain]

Can´t see a marriage for them - but with those names they are probably mistranscribed somewhere! :(

[claretaylor22]

They are a "good" Catholic family and were reasonably well known in Cardiff at the time so I think they were married, but the names are impossible, I spelt Brailli wrong myself initally in my post!

I might try and locate the parish records to see what I can find as I will soon have some time on my hands;)

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

This is wierd!

On that 1861 census Elaine found the head is Peter Stefano, who is Sofia/Sophia's father.

On the following page is his sister-in-law Eliza Donovan. As she is single she should be his wife's sister. That fits with the 1843 marriage of Margaret and Peter where Margaret is Margaret Donovan.

Then I saw this, and even looking at the image I'm not sure what Joseph John's last name is!

Marriages Jun 1860
Barlo_y Joseph John Newport M. 11a 317
Donovan Sophia Newport M 11a 317
Watkins Jennet Newport M 11a 317
Williams William Newport M. 11a 317

But it doesn't make sense, does it? Just thought I'd post anyway!!

[margaretmarch]

This is wierd!

On that 1861 census Elaine found the head is Peter Stefano, who is Sofia/Sophia's father.

On the following page is his sister-in-law Eliza Donovan. As she is single she should be his wife's sister. That fits with the 1843 marriage of Margaret and Peter where Margaret is Margaret Donovan.

Then I saw this, and even looking at the image I'm not sure what Joseph John's last name is!

Marriages Jun 1860
Barlo_y Joseph John Newport M. 11a 317
Donovan Sophia Newport M 11a 317
Watkins Jennet Newport M 11a 317
Williams William Newport M. 11a 317

But it doesn't make sense, does it? Just thought I'd post anyway!!

I would say that this is the marriage of the Sophia and Joseph you are looking for and that perhaps she was an illegitimate daughter of Margaret Donovan before her marriage to Peter.
Margaret

[JayG]

That ties in nicely with this birth then

Births Mar 1845
DONOVAN Sophia
Greenwich 5 237

[margaretmarch]

That ties in nicely with this birth then

Births Mar 1845
DONOVAN Sophia
Greenwich 5 237

Sophia would not be illegitimate though as the marriage for Peter & Margaret was 1843!
Perhaps Sophia has a middle name of Donovan and that was wrongly put on the index or her surname simply missed off? but why would it happen at her birth and at her marriage?? very strange. I think some certificates will be needed on this one ;)
Margaret

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

But as they had been married 18 years and Sophie is 16/26???

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

That ties in nicely with this birth then

Births Mar 1845
DONOVAN Sophia
Greenwich 5 237

But they were married before that?

Marriages Dec 1843
Donovan Margaret Ellen Stepney 2 461 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ELDRIDGE Joseph Stepney 2 461
FRANKS Susannah Stepney 2 461
Hall Mary Ann Stepney 2 461
Hayes Thomas Stepney 2 461
Newton William John Stepney 2 461
PAIN John Stepney 2 461
Stephano Peter Vlasopolo Stepney 2 461 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Taylor Ann Stepney 2 461
Tuffee Ann Stepney 2 461

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Sorry, cross-posted with Margaret!

[margaretmarch]

Yes, that's what I was saying so something is not quite right somewhere.
I can't see the family in 1851 yet.
Margaret

[JayG]

LOL I was just on looking for Margaret & Peter's marriage :D

Sophia is 16 in 1861 so born about 1845, the birth fits date, place & forename wise but not surname

[margaretmarch]

I think the marriage for Sophia and Joseph is the right one just a puzzle now as to why she was calling herself Donovan. Could she be someone that Margaret & Peter took on as their own from another family member eg the unmarried sister in law?
Margaret

[Elaine ..Spain]

That ties in nicely with this birth then

Births Mar 1845
DONOVAN Sophia
Greenwich 5 237

I think this birth registration refers to this one - parents Andrew and Susan
HO107; Piece: 1584; Folio: 530; Page: 30
- Ancestry.co.uk

but the Sophia listed doesn't seem to be with the family in 1861
RG9; Piece: 395; Folio: 21; Page: 35
- Ancestry.co.uk

- a possible marriage
Marriages Dec 1864
DONOVAN Sophia
Harr_d Henry
Greenwich 1d 1132

and the 1871 census entry
- Ancestry.co.uk

.. so she is not the right one! :D

[claretaylor22]

I've been having another look at this this morning. I'm very tempted to order the cert for OH's mum as a "surprise", I wanted to look at the image myself as I didn't have the chance when Merry found it for me:o, problem is it doesn't seem to be on Ancestry :(

Anyway I've looked for another Sophia Donovan who could be the one marrying and I can't find one which makes me think it is a real possibility.

Is this too far fetched or worth a go?

[Elaine ..Spain]

Which image are you trying to find Clare?

[claretaylor22]

Sorry:o

I wanted to look at the Sophia Donovan Joseph John Barlo_Y image that Merry found for me ages ago. It's 1860, Newport M, 11a 317 from memory.

The Joseph image is missing on Ancestry:(

[Elaine ..Spain]

You can view it on freeBMD.

Click on the pair of spectacles to the right of his name - and on the next page click on 'View the original'