Workhouse Births.

[Cavour]

I am in need of help! I just found my Grandfather was born in a workhouse,I have the name of the workhouse and the date of his birth.I can only find Census records but not individual births.Could anyone help me with this matter please?
Many Thanks
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[jean]

Hello and welcome. Could we have some names and details please? if living please do not give names

[Cavour]

Kind of you to reply.Yes,the name is Ernest Flatman,born in 1885 in Suffolk and the area given is Hartsimere,this turns out to be a workhouse in suffolk.
Does this make sense?
Many thanks
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[Guest]

Ernest Flatman 1885 Mar quarter Hartismere Suffolk 4a 769
there is his birth record

[kylejustin]

just order that from the gro and you'll be fine!!

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Welcome to FTF

I can't see him on the census 1891 or 1901. Do you have his marriage certificate? Are there any father's details on it?

I was wondering if he was brought up by a step-father and Ernest is carrying his surname on the census records?

[Cavour]

Ernest Flatman 1885 Mar quarter Hartismere Suffolk 4a 769
there is his birth record

Thats a great,I can't thank you enough.I realy can't believe it, this is my first post on this Forum and within just a few moments problem solved.
Great Site!!!
Thanks for your trouble.
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[Cavour]

just order that from the gro and you'll be fine!!

I shall do that,thanks for your help.

[Cavour]

Welcome to FTF

I can't see him on the census 1891 or 1901. Do you have his marriage certificate? Are there any father's details on it?

I was wondering if he was brought up by a step-father and Ernest is carrying his surname on the census records?

Hi,good of you to help.
I found Ernest in County Durham on the 1891 Census aged 6 years.I found him again on the 1901 Census in County Durham aged 16 years.On these Census records his Father's name is Samuel Flatman,and his mother is on this record as being Elizabeth Flatman.On the 1891 Census it looks as if Elizabeth's brothers are living with them,they are down as brothers,their names being William and Walter Rodwell.If so this would mean that Elizabeth's maiden name was Rodwell.
So if I can trace the Marriage records of Samuel and Elizabeth Flatman,(my Great Grandparents) would that give me Elizabeth's maiden name? If so let's hope it's Rodwell.
Thanks Again for your help.
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[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Note to self *READ the post properly before sticking oar in*

I read the date as 1875 not 1885, so I've been looking for someone who didn't exist!

I'm afraid those two "brothers" are boarders not brothers!

[KiteRunner]

Kind of you to reply.Yes,the name is Ernest Flatman,born in 1885 in Suffolk and the area given is Hartsimere,this turns out to be a workhouse in suffolk.
Does this make sense?
Many thanks
Cavour.

Are you saying that because his birthplace is given as Hartismere, you are assuming he was born in the workhouse, or have you seen his birthplace given as "Hartismere Workhouse"? Hartismere was an area so if his birthplace on the census says Hartismere it doesn't necessarily mean the workhouse.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

His place of birth says Burgate in 1891 which is a parish covered by Hartismere district. There were no workhouses in Burgate parish as far as I can tell.

[Oakum Picker]

On the 1891 Census it looks as if Elizabeth's brothers are living with them,they are down as brothers,their names being William and Walter Rodwell.If so this would mean that Elizabeth's maiden name was Rodwell.
So if I can trace the Marriage records of Samuel and Elizabeth Flatman,(my Great Grandparents) would that give me Elizabeth's maiden name? If so let's hope it's Rodwell.

Cavour.

I think it says boarders rather than brothers.

1881 shows Samuel married to a Maria with eldest child 10.

A Samuel FLATMAN marries a Maria MINTER in 1869 & there is a birth for a Maria Elizabeth MINTER in 1854.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

And Maria was Mary Elizabeth on one of the censuses! (I'm trying not to notice that Samuel was called Thomas in 1901!)

In 1871 Samuel and Maria are together with John aged 7mths.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Note that Samuel may have left Suffolk because of the lack of agricultural work. he was an ag lab in 1871 but a miner on the later censues.

[Cavour]

Note to self *READ the post properly before sticking oar in*

I read the date as 1875 not 1885, so I've been looking for someone who didn't exist!

I'm afraid those two "brothers" are boarders not brothers!

Trust me to get it wrong,it just looked like brothers.I never thought of boarders.I'm the one who should watch what he's doing.Now I don't know how I can find out what Elizabeth's maiden name was,Any ideas?
Thanks Again
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[jean]

there are quite a few earlier Flatmans from Burgate submitted by a lady in NZ on IGI pedigree resources

[Olde Crone Holden]

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His birth certificate will give his mother's maiden name.

OC

[jean]

possible marriage 1869 Hartismere Suffolk oct/nov/dec vol 4a page 1100

Samuel Flatman / Maria Minter

[Cavour]

Note to self *READ the post properly before sticking oar in*

I read the date as 1875 not 1885, so I've been looking for someone who didn't exist!

I'm afraid those two "brothers" are boarders not brothers!

Oh yes,I just had another look and i'm sure now it is Boarders.(trust me)
Now I wonder how I can find out Elizabeth's maiden name,any ideas?
Thanks Again
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