What's their relationship?

[LeicestershireLass]

I'm revisiting some of the info I've found over the years and now trying to make sense of it so that I can enter onto my electronic family tree!

1841 census - all spellings per transcript
Flowers, Ricd 75 (c1766)
Flowers, Sarah 15 (c1826)
Flowers, Mitilda 14 (c1825)
Flowers, Selina 10 (c1831)

All born Warks and occupations for all = weaver

They were living in the Hamlet of Ryton, Civil Parish of Bulkington, Warks
Piece: HO107/1136/13 Folio: 4 Page: 6

I'm presuming that Richard is a widower as no wife listed. He married Elizth Hewitt in 1785 at Stretton on Dunsmore, Warks. I've not been able to find her death.

My first thought was that the 'girls' may be Richard's grandaughters, but now I'm not so sure ... can anyone please assist to ascertain who their parents were?

Thanks

[Jessbowbag]

Not sure of its the same girl

IGI puts a matilda flowers born 06 MAY 1827 Bulkington, Warwick, England

dau of Richard & ANN

not what you want to know but.... looks like she married THOMAS ELSON 07 OCT 1849 Bulkington, Warwick, England , 1851 = Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2065; Folio: 406; Page: 16; GSU roll: 87324-87325.

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How far away is

SELINA FLOWERS
Christening: 03 APR 1842 Leamington Priors, Warwick, England
Parents:
JAMES FLOWERS
REBECCA

[Elaine ..Spain]

I think you might have to work forward and find a marriage, so as to find birth places and then check the parish registers.

This looks like a possible marriage for Selina
Marriages Sep 1850
Flowers Selina
TAYLOR George
Nuneaton 16 536

and a possible 1851 census
- Ancestry.co.uk

which shows her as being born in Ryton.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Same for Matilda

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Ellson Thomas
Flowers Matilda
Nuneaton 16 691

Possible 1851
- Ancestry.co.uk

[JulesSmith]

Shouldn't Richd be 35 and born 1806 on 1841? In which case, the girls are his.

[LeicestershireLass]

Hi Jess and Elaine

Thanks for helping ...

I've just seen the births of Matilda and Sarah on IGI at Bulkington + there are several others born to Richard and Ann ........... so wondering if they may be his 'second' family.

Children born to Richard and Elizabeth were born between 1786-1792 at Leamington, Warks, hence they have all left home by 1841.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Shouldn't Richd be 35 and born 1806 on 1841? In which case, the girls are his.

He has been transcribed as age 35 but if you look at the image it does look like a 7 rather than a 3

[LeicestershireLass]

Shouldn't Richd be 35 and born 1806 on 1841? In which case, the girls are his.

Hi Jules ... how did you work that out?

I've now found a marriage: Richard Flowers + Ann Tims 23/5/1804 at Leamington Priors ~ do you think she was his second wife?

and a death Q2 1844 for Richard Flowers reg'd Warwick

[LeicestershireLass]

He has been transcribed as age 35 but if you look at the image it does look like a 7 rather than a 3

According to Freecen transcription Ricd is 75 (can't check image as Ancestry subs expired recently)

[JulesSmith]

It looks more like 35 to me

[Elaine ..Spain]

and a death Q2 1844 for Richard Flowers reg'd Warwick

There is a Richard Flower on the 1841 census, living in the Warwick registration district, married to Mary - so this could be his death.

[JulesSmith]

I might have to bail out of this one, I'm confused LOL

[LeicestershireLass]

There is a Richard Flower on the 1841 census, living in the Warwick registration district, married to Mary - so this could be his death.

Is he alive in 1851?

[LeicestershireLass]

I might have to bail out of this one, I'm confused LOL

oh dear Jules ... although I have to admit that's how I felt yesterday when trying to sort it out ! thanks for your input

[Elaine ..Spain]

I cannot see him at the moment. Have found two of the children who were listed on the 1841, living with grandmother on 1851.
I'll have another look.

Update - cannot find him or his wife if 1851. Two children are with grandparents, one is elsewhere working as a servant.

[LeicestershireLass]

I've decided to send for Matilda and Selina's marriage certs to ascertain who their father was, if indeed they share the same father ....

[LeicestershireLass]

Update: Now received marriage certs;

Matilda's father was Richard Flowers, weaver
Selina's father was Benjamin Flowers Cordwainer

Would now appreciate help to establish relationship between Matilda/Selina ~ cousins ??

Richard/Benjamin ~ brothers??

[kylejustin]

do you have any benjamin flowers in your tree? or possibles where your not sure where they fit?

[Mary from Italy]

I think this is the most likely death for Richard, because the Nuneaton reg district includes Bulkington:

Deaths Dec 1844
FLOWER Richard Nuneaton 16 324

Where does the marriage to Elizabeth Hewitt come from? Are you sure about that?

[JulesSmith]

I'm
I'm presuming that Richard is a widower as no wife listed. He married Elizth Hewitt in 1785 at Stretton on Dunsmore, Warks. I've not been able to find her death.

My first thought was that the 'girls' may be Richard's grandaughters, but now I'm not so sure ... can anyone please assist to ascertain who their parents were?

Thanks

Maybe one of these are a parent?
William Flowers
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Jan 1788
Christening Place: Leamington, Warwickshire, England
Father's Name: Richard Flowers
Mother's Name: Eliz

John Flowers
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 9 Sep 1792
Christening Place: Leamington, Warwickshire, England
Father's Name: Richard Flowers
Mother's Name: Eliz