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  • #1

    Ireland Census 1871

    I have a family who were in County Tyrone Ireland between the UK 1861 and 1881 census

    Does any one have access to census records in Ireland who could look for them?

    Head William Franklin, born 1833 in Harrow Middx
    Wife Mary Ann (or Marianne) born 1835 Cluton Shropshire
    Children:
    Arthur Charles born 1859 Harrow
    Mary Ann born 1862 Harrow
    Frederick born 1866 Harrow
    Ada born 1868 Dungannon Tyrone Co, Ireland
    Edwin (also uses Joseph) born 1869 Dungannon Tyrone Co, Ireland
    John born 1870 Dungannon Tyrone Co, Ireland
    Avatar is my Gt Grandfather

    Researching:
    FRANKLIN (Harrow/Pinner 1700 to 1850); PURSGLOVE (ALL Southern counties of England); POOLE (Tetbury/Malmesbury and surrounding areas of Gloucestershire and Wiltshire (1650 to 1900); READ London/Suffolk
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  • #2
    Hi Trevor,
    Only the 1901 and 1911 censuses of Ireland have survived. The 1911 census is being put online in phases here National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911
    There are a few Tyrone links in the Wiki: Tyrone - Family Tree Forum
    Last edited by Cloggie; 15-04-09, 10:33.
    Sarah

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    • #3
      From http://pilot.familysearch.org/record...rt.html#p=home :

      Name: Ada Josephine Franklin
      Registration district: Dungannon
      Record type: BIRTHS
      Registration date - quarter and year: 1867
      Film number: 101044
      Volume: 11
      Page: 588
      Digital GS number: 4187284
      Image number: 00137
      Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958


      Name: Edwin Alfred Joseph Franklin
      Registration district: Dungannon
      Record type: BIRTHS
      Registration date - quarter and year: 1869
      Film number: 101046
      Volume: 11
      Page: 590
      Digital GS number: 4187286
      Image number: 00150
      Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958

      Name: John Edward Trayler Franklin
      Registration district: Dungannon
      Record type: BIRTHS
      Registration date - quarter and year: 1871
      Film number: 101048
      Volume: 1
      Page: 638
      Digital GS number: 4193452
      Image number: 00159
      Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
      Sarah

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      • #4
        Really bad news about the 1871 census, as it was probably the only way I was going to prove/disprove a child in the family.

        I had been told that there was a Dervis Franklin born 1862
        He was not on the 1881 census when they returned to England

        From a New Zeland relative:
        Dervis Daniel was located by the relative, Margaret (now deceased) doing the research some years back in England. She has made the comment on her notes "Most of this information (the children of William and Ann (Marianne) Franklin) has come from census returns except for Dervis Daniel which is a birth certificate that I have. Most unusual name so we asked for the certificate to confirm the family
        She did offer to give me a copy of the birth certificate at the time however, she has since deceased so I am unable to retrieve it.
        I know that William was in England on 1861 census and 1881 census, so could he have been born and died in Ireland?

        Looks like I will never answer that one
        EDIT:
        Ignore last sentence, just found on BMD
        FRANKLIN David Daniel 1861 sept Qtr Hendon 3a 78
        Last edited by TrevorFranklin; 15-04-09, 10:51.
        Avatar is my Gt Grandfather

        Researching:
        FRANKLIN (Harrow/Pinner 1700 to 1850); PURSGLOVE (ALL Southern counties of England); POOLE (Tetbury/Malmesbury and surrounding areas of Gloucestershire and Wiltshire (1650 to 1900); READ London/Suffolk

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        • #5
          The Ireland BMD indexes don't show a Dervis, but here are a couple more Franklin births registered in Dungannon registration district:

          Name: Hedley Winifred Vivian Franklin
          Registration district: Dungannon
          Record type: BIRTHS
          Registration date - quarter and year: 1874
          Film number: 101051
          Volume: 11
          Page: 697
          Digital GS number: 4187290
          Image number: 00148
          Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958


          Name: Sidney Albert James Franklin
          Registration district: Dungannon
          Record type: BIRTHS
          Registration date - quarter and year: 1873
          Film number: 101050
          Volume: 1
          Page: 624
          Digital GS number: 4187289
          Image number: 00139
          Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958
          Last edited by Cloggie; 15-04-09, 10:58.
          Sarah

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          • #6
            Now found him on the 1891 and 1901 census up in Wolverhampton
            this time he is using Dervis his first name

            So is born DAVID
            Uses Davis on a marriage record
            Then uses Dervis and names his son the same.

            But still not found him on the 1881 census.
            His wife was Mary Ann Shearman, she is on the 1881 with her family, her father was a Varnish maker, the same trade as David/Dervis/Davis on the 1891 and 1901 census.

            Oh I wish they would keep their names the same!
            Avatar is my Gt Grandfather

            Researching:
            FRANKLIN (Harrow/Pinner 1700 to 1850); PURSGLOVE (ALL Southern counties of England); POOLE (Tetbury/Malmesbury and surrounding areas of Gloucestershire and Wiltshire (1650 to 1900); READ London/Suffolk

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            • #7
              Sad to say, generally speaking, there is only census available for Irish records from 1901 onwards.

              However, there are the tithe applotment records, and there is a partial 1821 census for some counties that can be found, hopefully, by googling.
              Joy

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              • #8
                As well as the sources Joy mentioned there is also Griffiths Valuation, but I don't think any of these will cover the time period you're looking for.

                PRONI has Will Calendars, the Ulster Covenant, and Freeholders Lists online here: http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives.htm
                Last edited by Cloggie; 15-04-09, 13:18.
                Sarah

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                • #9
                  As an example, this gives the

                  1823-1838 INDEX
                  Tithe Applotment
                  - Sorted By Parish - and Townland -
                  Aghalurcher
                  FERMANAGH

                  1825-1835 Tithe Applotment Index
                  Joy

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                  • #10
                    And here is an example of the 1821 census.

                    1821 Census Abstracts County Cavan, Ireland ©Jane Lyons
                    Joy

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