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kath fenning
13-04-09, 21:01
I'm looking for Elizabeth Sarah Newman age in 1927 in her 20s? lived in Romford in 1927 and 1929 at Babbercombe,Biggin Hill,Kent,she had 2 children Joyce Constance James in 1929 my mother and Evelyn Irene James in 1927.Any help would be great.

Elaine ..Spain
13-04-09, 21:12
Welcome to Family Tree Forum.

Can I ask you to confirm that none of the people you mention in your first post are still alive as we do not allow details of living people to be posted on the forum.

Re Elizabeth Sarah Newman, what sort of information are you looking for? Are you trying to work backwards with her parents or are you trying to work forward with living relatives?

Mary from Italy
13-04-09, 21:14
I've just been looking for Elizabeth's marriage to a Mr James, but I can't see anything obvious. It'd be helpful to get the marriage cert, because it'd give the ages and fathers' names of your mother's parents.

Uncle John
13-04-09, 21:15
Hi Kath and welcome to FTF. The usual way to find births in the early 20th. century is to use FreeBMD at FreeBMD Home Page (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/) (it's also available on Ancestry).

You should be able to find all three births fairly easily. If not, do shout.

By the way, if your mother or aunt are still alive, please remove their names. Names of living people aren't permitted on FTF.

Merry Monty Montgomery
13-04-09, 21:18
Hi kath, welcome to Family Tree Forum :)

Can I just confirm that all the people you have mentioned are deceased? It's just that we have a policy of not giving information on living people without their consent.

I was just looking for a Newman/James marriage, but can't see it. Do you have her marriage cert? That would tell you her father's details and her age.

Mary from Italy
13-04-09, 21:23
This is a good possibility for Elizabeth's birth:

Births Mar 1908
Newman Elizabeth Sarah / Bromley / 2a 557

because your mother's birth was registered in the same district.

However, that obviously isn't conclusive.

You can find the births here:

FreeBMD - Search (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl)

kath fenning
14-04-09, 07:02
Welcome to Family Tree Forum.

Can I ask you to confirm that none of the people you mention in your first post are still alive as we do not allow details of living people to be posted on the forum.

Re Elizabeth Sarah Newman, what sort of information are you looking for? Are you trying to work backwards with her parents or are you trying to work forward with living relatives?
Hi,
No all dead now,i've been trying to locate or just some info on Elizabeth only know that I have been trying to find this lady for years ,I have no birth or marriage cert or death cert.I have found my mothers,fathers side of family not a problem now just wanted to know more about Elizabeth as my mother told me she died when she was very small.
Kath

kath fenning
14-04-09, 07:09
This is a good possibility for Elizabeth's birth:

Births Mar 1908
Newman Elizabeth Sarah / Bromley / 2a 557

because your mother's birth was registered in the same district.

However, that obviously isn't conclusive.

You can find the births here:

FreeBMD - Search (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl)

Hi,
I found that one but did'nt want to asume that was her until I got another clue.Thanks anyway.Kath

kath fenning
14-04-09, 07:11
Hi kath, welcome to Family Tree Forum :)

Can I just confirm that all the people you have mentioned are deceased? It's just that we have a policy of not giving information on living people without their consent.

I was just looking for a Newman/James marriage, but can't see it. Do you have her marriage cert? That would tell you her father's details and her age.

No all the people are dead now,I have no Marriage,birth or death certs only my mothers and Elizabeth is put on there as formley Newman but you can say anything.
Thanks Kath

kath fenning
14-04-09, 07:13
Hi Kath and welcome to FTF. The usual way to find births in the early 20th. century is to use FreeBMD at FreeBMD Home Page (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/) (it's also available on Ancestry).

You should be able to find all three births fairly easily. If not, do shout.

By the way, if your mother or aunt are still alive, please remove their names. Names of living people aren't permitted on FTF.

Found Joyce and Evelyn's birth and all are dead now.
Thanks for info,Kath

Merry Monty Montgomery
14-04-09, 15:22
kath, do you have any idea when Elizabeth Sarah Joyce died? If it was after 1969 then her date of birth should be included in the death registration index entry, and even if it was before that, her age at death (all that's recorded before 1969) might be helpful.

Do you know her husband's first name?

kath fenning
15-04-09, 07:35
Hi kath, welcome to Family Tree Forum :)

Can I just confirm that all the people you have mentioned are deceased? It's just that we have a policy of not giving information on living people without their consent.

I was just looking for a Newman/James marriage, but can't see it. Do you have her marriage cert? That would tell you her father's details and her age.

No they're all dead.I have'nt been able to find anything at all no marriage or birth cert for Elizabeth.i've been looking for years but can't find anything only a birth cert for Elizabeth Sarah Newman in Bromley in 1908 but can't assume this is here.

kath fenning
15-04-09, 07:38
kath, do you have any idea when Elizabeth Sarah Joyce died? If it was after 1969 then her date of birth should be included in the death registration index entry, and even if it was before that, her age at death (all that's recorded before 1969) might be helpful.

Do you know her husband's first name?

My mother(Joyce) was told here mother Eliabeth Mary died about 1932ish the husband was Thomas James and he was born in Capcoch,Wales in 1900

kath fenning
15-04-09, 07:40
Welcome to Family Tree Forum.

Can I ask you to confirm that none of the people you mention in your first post are still alive as we do not allow details of living people to be posted on the forum.

Re Elizabeth Sarah Newman, what sort of information are you looking for? Are you trying to work backwards with her parents or are you trying to work forward with living relatives?

All dead,Trying to go back.

kath fenning
15-04-09, 07:43
I've just been looking for Elizabeth's marriage to a Mr James, but I can't see anything obvious. It'd be helpful to get the marriage cert, because it'd give the ages and fathers' names of your mother's parents.

No can't find a marriage I think they were'nt.Thomas James was born in 1900 don't know about Elizabeth.

Merry Monty Montgomery
15-04-09, 09:47
My mother(Joyce) was told here mother Eliabeth Mary died about 1932ish the husband was Thomas James and he was born in Capcoch,Wales in 1900

Hmmmm....you said her name was Elizabeth Sarah in the original post!

I'll have a look to see if I can find her death.

Did Thomas James marry anyone else after Elizabeth died? Do you know who? (Might help with tracing him beck if you don't have his history)

Merry Monty Montgomery
15-04-09, 09:54
Is it likely Elizabeth died in Romford, or the London area at least? The reason I ask is there's a couple of deaths at the start of 1933 (couldn't see anything likely before this) in South Wales and as you said that is where Thomas came from, I wondered if they had moved?

At the moment I'm looking under surname James, but she might have been registered under Newman (though less likely) if they were not married.

Merry Monty Montgomery
15-04-09, 09:59
I've gone up to the end of 1934 looking at all the Elizabeth James, as I'm now unsure of her middle name. Found a couple of younger women in Wales as I said before, but none around London, though it's possible I've missed something as it's harder when you are not sure exactly what you are looking for!! lol

kath fenning
16-04-09, 08:15
I've gone up to the end of 1934 looking at all the Elizabeth James, as I'm now unsure of her middle name. Found a couple of younger women in Wales as I said before, but none around London, though it's possible I've missed something as it's harder when you are not sure exactly what you are looking for!! lol

Hi,
Thankyou for all the hard work you're doing.well I don't know if Thomas James remarried all I know when Elizabeth died I presume it was in the London,Biggin Hill ? but I do know that Thomas,Joyce and Evelyn then went back to Wales about 1932/33/34?.Also my Mother Joyce was told she had died I'm wondering did she ?.I've found Thomas side's of the family back to end of 1700's just Elizabeths is stumping me.I was wondering ,when I remarried I had to marry in formers husband's name, maybe Elizabeth was a widow and married in former name.I have tried for at least 20 yrs on and off to find Elizabeth for my Mother when she was alive but now as I'm getting on quiet well with Thomas sides I thought I would re open Elizabeth again but realize I need alot of help as I got no where last time.Many thanks Kath.

Merry Monty Montgomery
16-04-09, 10:16
Oh, 20 years, not long then!! OH has been after his grandfather for longer; despite knowing him for nearly 20 years, we now realise he appeared on the face of the earth aged about 20!! lol

Was Elizabeth's middle name Mary or Sarah?

Have you investigated the electoral rolls for the addresses where your mother and aunt were born, to see if you can work out exactly when the family left. (probably a long shot!)

If Edward and Elizabeth were not married then it might be very difficult to get anywhere, as you obviously realise! You have to ask yourself why not too.....

PapasDuke
25-06-17, 23:24
I'm researching the James/Newman line as well. My son-in-law is the grandson of Evelyn Irene James who I've been told is the daughter of Thomas (Tomas) James and Elizabeth Sarah Newman. Evelyn's daughter said they'd heard Elizabeth Sarah left when Evelyn and her sister, Joyce Constance James, were very young. II see by your posting you have found quite a bit on the James line. I would very much like to learn what you have. It appears that Elizabeth Sarah Newman married twice more after leaving Thomas James. I will share anything I have but since it was handed down to me it would be wise to verify where ever possible. Look forward to hearing from you.

Jill on the A272
26-06-17, 07:07
Welcome to the forum - Kath hasn't been active on for a while, I have sent her a message to let her know of your interest.

Caroline
26-06-17, 07:36
Welcome to the forum - Kath hasn't been active on for a while, I have sent her a message to let her know of your interest.

Unfortunately, she is unlikely to get the message. She hasn't logged in since 2009, two days after she posted this thread, and emails to her are being returned to us. I.e the notification of the updates to this thread and the PM which Jill sent her. :(

Jill on the A272
26-06-17, 14:20
Oh well, it was worth a try.

PapasDuke
27-06-17, 02:01
Oh well, it was worth a try.

thanks everyone for trying to get in touch with Kath Fenning. I thought it was probably a long shot. Too bad.

JudithM
27-06-17, 08:49
Long shot - Kathleen Fenning, with Elizabeth Sarah Newman in her tree, is/was a member on GenesReunited. I have sent her a message on there to let her know of this thread but of course it is possible she is no longer active and hasn't changed her contact email there either.

PapasDuke
27-06-17, 13:37
Long shot - Kathleen Fenning, with Elizabeth Sarah Newman in her tree, is/was a member on GenesReunited. I have sent her a message on there to let her know of this thread but of course it is possible she is no longer active and hasn't changed her contact email there either.

Thank you Judith I appreciate your help