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    i know i've seen on here how to find your ancestor's apprentice records.
    but i can't seem to find it in the wiki. can someone give me pointers?

  • #2
    Not sure if any of this will help


    Can't see anything in the wiki at the moment!
    Elaine







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    • #3
      thank you elaine, i've sent off an email.

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      • #4
        A lot depends on where they worked. I think the Goldsmiths Company mostly holds records for London. People based around other Assay Offices (e.g. York, Chester, Sheffield) are possibly recorded nearer to home.
        Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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        • #5
          my email got sent back to me, it failed to get there. from the notes i was given, he was active in london around 1790.

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          • #6
            Try this email address: the.library@thegoldsmiths.co.uk
            Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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            • #7
              thanks uncle john, i'll give it a shot.

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              • #8
                kylejustin

                Was he a Master? If so, what's his name and I'll have a look in my book of marks.

                OC

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                • #9
                  "My Lord
                  Understanding that a vacancy has lately taken place in the
                  management of the Malt Mills in Manchester to which your
                  Lordship is a Trustee I beg leave to offer myself as a Candidate
                  for that appointment & trust from my Personal Knowledge of the
                  Situation having been an Inhabitant of this town for near 30
                  years in the Watch Making & Silversmith business, but am sorry
                  to inform your Lordship I had the misfortune to loose my left
                  hand some years ago which has disabled me from following the
                  working part of my Trade, having much vacant time I trust you
                  will not find your appointment misplacd, with respect to
                  security I can procure the same to any amount your Lordship &
                  the Trustees may think proper, & for Character might with
                  confidence refer your Lordship to the greater part of the
                  respectable characters in Manchester & its neighbourhood, Dr
                  Foxley, W Fox Esq., Miss Byroms, Mrs Houghtons of Baguley, Revd.
                  Johnson of Wilmslow have known me from a child.
                  I beg your Lordships pardon for the trouble of this application
                  am your Lordships obd. hble. srvt.
                  (Signed) Josiah Twyford, Deansgate, 27th Sep. 1809"

                  i dont think so, oc. i'm not sure to be honest. all i know is he must have stopped around 1808, as he injured his hand.

                  his name is josiah twyford.

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                  • #10
                    Goldsmiths Hall may not have a record of him. Looks like Sheffield is the nearest Assay Office to Manchester.
                    Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                    • #11
                      Uhhh...I read him as a Silversmith, not a Goldsmith! Can't immediately see a maker's mark for him anywhere.

                      OC

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                      • #12
                        OH's ancestor was mostly a silversmith and watchmaker. He had a mark registered at the short-lived and rather useless Newcastle Assay Office.
                        Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                        • #13
                          so i should look at manchester then?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kylejustin View Post
                            so i should look at manchester then?
                            I don't think there is/was an Assay Office at Manchester. The nearest one is Sheffield. Sheffield Assay Office - HallMarking, Laser Marking and Analytical Services
                            Uncle John - Passed away March 2020

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                            • #15
                              kylejustin

                              Have had a good look through all my books but cannot find any reference to anyone called Pote, sorry!

                              OC

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                              • #16
                                Hiya OC

                                That Pote search was for me, thanks for looking

                                Where would the nearest place to do an apprenticeship if you were born in Bristol? Or if you did it when you lived in Birmingham?

                                Danny
                                http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=528974734

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                                • #17
                                  Danny

                                  So sorry, lol! It's me age, you know...

                                  I did also look up Twyford and there was no mark attributed.

                                  kylejustin

                                  As you have the clue that he was known throughout his childhood by the Vicar, then I imagine his apprenticeship would have been generated in his home town. Is there any possibility it could have been a poor law apprenticeship? (Not really very likely, goldsmith apprenticeships were expensive compared to things like blacksmithing etc).

                                  OC

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                                  • #18
                                    oc, i don't know what a poor law apprenticeship is!!:o

                                    his father was a watchmaker in timperley in the 18th century, and seems to have been a family trade. a clock josiah made is in the manchester museum.
                                    so im guessing he would have been wealthy enough to get a goldsmith apprenticeship.

                                    thanx for the link uj, i'll def. check it out.

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